XCProMD wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:43 am
First gen Campag brakes were developed with Magura input, but Ekar’s are already the 3rd gen after that. Not a single part shared with Maguras.
I thought it was second gen. I havent seen what Magura's involvement was with the newer stuff but the barbs & olives are still magura style at a minimum and all the codeveloped bleeding stuff is the same for all Campag hydro which is a good thing (DB-100 / 2651155535).
I've been working on a project to combine Shimano 12s levers with Campag DB-F161 and DB-EK140 so I'd love more info if I'm wrong as this stuff is hard to research.
Magura MT8 FM was the predicate design. Magura MT4 FM is the same with a different color cap and a cheaper heavier pad retaining bolt. Rotor used these calipers with their IX13 groupset and Chris Froome used that caliper with Shimano 11s levers when he came back and took issue with Shimano 11s hydro.
First gen Campag/Magura released with 11s and continued briefly with 12s: DB-F160 (front only 160), DB-R160 ("rear" 160), DB-R140 ("rear" 140)
Second gen released with ekar: DB-EK140 ("rear" 140) adaptable to 160 and front use with adapters similarly to Shimano & SRAM. The new cheaper ekar uses these same calipers.
Second gen used on 12s: DB-F161 (front only 160), DB-R161 ("rear" 160), DB-R141 ("rear" 140). The DB-R141 is the same design as DB-EK140 with different logos.
Second gen used on wireless: Unknown part numbers but looks to be all three calipers listed directly above with new branding and glossy finish.
I have yet to find photos of a box or a listing online for any of the second gen calipers only to see if they list made in Germany (Magura), made in Italy (Campag), or something else. Usually the calipers are sold with the levers and are listed as made in Italy but that doesn't really tell us who is making the calipers or what Magura's involvement is now.