Campagnolo 12-Speed

[Mascalzone]

That picture makes me feel queasy to say the least!

It's an ongoing 6 month saga, they also chipped the carbon on the top tube behind the steerer whip replacing the bearings (about the size of my thumbnail). They're trying to source a replacement carbon Athena chainset to replace the one the damaged. On the plus side, over the last 6 months I've been slowly buying up 12 Record components, I've got everything except a cassette, it'll be going on this bike.

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Sorry, that is awful. Lesson here is why would you ever let an LBS work on your nice bikes? No way in hell would I bring anything of that quality to a shop. I probably wouldn't trust 99% of shops to pump my tires without damaging something. You either do it youself or switch to Shimano 105 lol.

I totally agree! I do everything myself but I didn't have the approved crank/bearing puller tool for Power Torque and since it's rare that I need to remove it, I figured why pay $200+ when an LBS (who sell and have Campagnolo equipped bikes) can do it for me. Lesson learned, never again!

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[Shmitt]

I realize that this question is inseparable and asked here, but also faces the choice of a group. The choice is either chorus or record.
Can users confirm that in terms of functionality, the two groups are the same? Is the speed of changing gear ratios, the precision of gear ratios etc. are at the same level? Planning to use campagnolo direct mount brakes.
Possibly planning to buy a bottom bracket and a pulley from c-bear.
What do experienced users think about it?

[Kjetil]

For gearing functionality and precision there is no difference.
Brakes are the same but check if lever throw and point of engagement adjustability is equal on the two.
The only reasons I can see for not using Campag bearing cups is if the bb shell is not compatible with any option or if it’s a frame known for bad tolerances.

[WorkonSunday]

I realize that this question is inseparable and asked here, but also faces the choice of a group. The choice is either chorus or record.
Can users confirm that in terms of functionality, the two groups are the same? Is the speed of changing gear ratios, the precision of gear ratios etc. are at the same level? Planning to use campagnolo direct mount brakes.
Possibly planning to buy a bottom bracket and a pulley from c-bear.
What do experienced users think about it?

i ended up using a Chorus rear mech with SR everything else. just because im getting older and i just know some day i will need that 11-34 cassette

[gorkypl]

You can use SR RD with 11-34, the geometry of the derailleurs is the same (after 2019 update, that is).

[Kjetil]

Yup, and there's an upgrade kit for early R and SR derailleurs too.

[Sin2000]

There is also a Super Record 11-34 cassette, plus you can also buy the 25-29-34 triplet on its own if you wanted to convert an 11-32 cassette to an 11-34.

[Shmitt]

For gearing functionality and precision there is no difference.
Brakes are the same but check if lever throw and point of engagement adjustability is equal on the two.
The only reasons I can see for not using Campag bearing cups is if the bb shell is not compatible with any option or if it’s a frame known for bad tolerances.

Equipment for the rim brake is planned, so the braking point can be set with the distance from the brake pad to the rim, and the adjustment of the lever should be the same in both cases,

this will be my first experience with Campagnolo and i just want to make sure.

[Kjetil]

Aha. I had the idea that it was for discs. Sorry.
With rim brakes you have two starting positions for the lever, and continous trim for pad engagement on SR, R an C.

First Campag experience? You'll love the double dump!

[Shmitt]

what group do you have?

[DaveS]

I first converted my chorus 12 bikes to force axs with only the FD, RD and shifters. Now have the cassettes too. Always an axs chain. I won't be going back to mechanical shifting. No weight was gained from the switch. I'm using mechanical levers. When I later switched from rim brake to disc, I used Juin-Tech GT calipers with the mechanical levers. Works great and no bleeding needed.

[Kjetil]

what group do you have?

Record. Ordered it as soon as it was possible and built the Specialissima with it.

[Shmitt]

I guess it's the disc version. Have any of you dealt with these direct mount brakes? the new bike is made to measure so I can choose between a standard mount and a direct mount.

[Kjetil]

Mine's standard mount. Never ridden Campag direct mount. I'd go with your frame maker's recommendation.

[Alexandrumarian]

Between the two, the standard mount SR are much prettier, and a bit lighter. I have both. The DM are porkers but spolid braking (at 95Kg I can still lift the rear wheel with good alloy wheels) but I doubt I could tell them apart from the standard if blindfolded. I guess you can save a few grams and improve the looks by using black Ti bolts for mounting. When I checked for the best quality it amounted to about 50euro, a bit painful...