The wheelbuilding thread

[Slagter]

Rims : DT Swiss R460
Spokes : DT Revolution or Sapim Laser
Spoke count : 24/28 or 28/32
Hubs : DT Swiss 350
Nipples : Sapim Polyax (alloy)
28/32 build should be bombproof, innit?

No need for 28/32.

I'm 191 lbs at the moment, and my Bitex hubs laced to Kinlin XR19W are doing just fine in a 24/28 config after 8.000 km.

The DT 460 are both heavier and wider than my Kinlins. 24/28 is more than enough for you with that config.

[mrlobber]

Thinking of gathering parts for a daily bad roads/gravel/occasional non-serious CX race disc clincher / possibly tubeless wheelset for my new CX bike.

Out of 3 rim options in order of personal preference (Hed Belgium+, Pacenti SL25, Stans ZTR Grail) it looks like I eventually might be getting Stans because the former 2 are not easily available for me (or cost 2x as much as Stans if shipped from abroad)

I'm a 75kg guy already for 10 years, and probably will remain there.

From hubs, nothing original at all, as good budged as possible, thinking of DtSwiss 350

Would 24F/28R be good for such a build? Most appropriate lacing pattern?

[pushstart]

Would 24F/28R be good for such a build? Most appropriate lacing pattern?

I would suggest 28/28, if disc, as your braking forces concentrate up front (common to run a larger rotor up front too).

2x/2x or 3x/3x. I like the aesthetics of 2x the angle of spokes wrt radial torque is slightly better with 3x; in practice, it doesn't matter (at least it hasn't for me).

I have a set of 28/28 Grail wheels I use for CX (singletrack). Grails are really nice rims. They built up so nicely, easy to mount tires (easy to seat tubeless), have been bomb-proof. (I also weigh around 75kg.)

[mrlobber]

Ok, thanks. Good point on the rotor difference too, easily to forget if running carbon road machines all the time.

[bm0p700f]

Agree with same spoke count front and reaf for disc brake wheels. For road though i always spec 160mm front and rear rotors as the brake brake is quite useful when decending and it helps it not overheat.

[pushstart]

Yeah, I would use 160/160 if my frame would fit the 160. In practice the 140 in back with a good rotor (I found Avid HSX rotors to be a lot better with my Spyres than the TRP rotors) has worked fine for me, though.

[MattSoutherden]

I have some Pacenti SL25s 32h 3x on Novatech 771/772. If the worst you'e going to ride is some graded roads, then 28h 2x is probably fine at your weight. The advantage of more spokes is that a loose or broken spoke has a less dramatic effect on the overall wheel operation. If you take the bike off-roading out in the sticks a long way from help, then this might be of concern to you. If you taco a wheel in a cross race, it's not really a problem.

[pushstart]

Yeah, it really depends on riding style and terrain. I have no qualms riding my 28-spoke wheels on pretty rooty/rocky east-coast (US) single track. But I ride with 38c or 42c tires now to avoid pinch flats on said terrain. I am sure you could taco these wheels, though I also feel a lot more confident on them than my 28-spoke Stans Crest wheels they replaced (for reasons of hub change/thru-axle, not that anything bad happened to the Crests).

[Derf]

What are people liking for budget-level track hubs? (~$50) Miche, Formula, BHS (Bitex?), Novatech, etc?

32sp--training wheels that will be actually used on the track. Double threaded would be nice (can keep both a warm-up and a hard-effort cog on the hub).

[bm0p700f]

Miche make the best hubs of that lot. 62mm flange seperation compared to 54mm for the novatec.

M

[Derf]

Thanks bmOp700f!

[kavitator]

Question for more experienced - how do you tesnsion sppokes on that kind of lacing?




Is same tesnion for all spokes on one side or same tension for each second spoke?

[bm0p700f]

Is not that 2x lacing. Same tension on the spokes.

[kavitator]

It is 2x on both sides

but spokes are not over/undr, they go direct from flange to rim.
In picture you can see big variation in "geometry " on same side.

So i was thinking spokes closer to center must have higher tension from spokes on outer holes of flange.

[Marin]

I would tension them so that the rim is centered and leave it at that.