kulivontot wrote:vmajor wrote:
Well, I actually have no incentive to do so. We are not being commercially harmed by this
So you have no incentive to do this, yet you have incentive enough to run around Internet forums and cyclingtips comment sections pointing fingers and talking trash about a product that you've never seen. Seems a little petty and amateurish. Sometimes the better course of action is to just walk away.
I have seen the rims. Nothing observable indicates that they are filament wound. This is not open to debate. It is only a point of discussion because FSE made a claim that they use the wet filament winding process that we use, and that is our core point of differentiation in the marketplace. They have not shown any rims made using our process, or that can be observed to be manufactured by an alternative filament winding process.
FSE approached us last year about supplying them with rims. They chose a different supplier. Perhaps they had already committed to a marketing direction and switched suppliers at a later date but decided to run with the original pitch using the information that I provided them with.
Regarding the harm to us due to competitors claiming to use the same differentiating tech as us, yes there is that possibility and my public involvement started after having some confused potential customers talk to me asking me how our rims compare to the FSE rims. I sent an email to FSE before I replied to them. I also contacted Cyclingtips for clarity assuming that they had good information about the FSE process, and before I made any comments on CT. Back then I had no idea what to tell anyone (I have a fair idea now) as FSE rims do not appear to be filament wound in any way. I never got a reply from FSE.
Why I say that we are not being affected commercially is because we are not FSE's customer, and our main customers are OEM customers. OEM buyers always perform factory inspections prior to entering into any supply agreement, and they also do a pretty thorough deconstruction of rims to see how they are made - we help them along by providing rim cross sections for inspection like this. You can observe the continuous filament winding pattern on both the outside and on the inside of the rim.
We also do not "own" the concept of filament winding. Lightweight uses a filament winding process to manufacture the Wegweiser, this version:
There are others coming soon. What they all have in common though is their actual observable use of filament winding to make their rims.
I hope this helps.
I am more than glad to answer any further questions but please ask me in the other thread, or via PM, or email.