2020 Sub UCI weight Specialized

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What defines the rumoured UCI Illegal Specialized

Doesn't Exist
55
30%
More aero than the Venge
37
20%
Lighter than the Tarmac SL6
55
30%
More aero than the Venge AND lighter than the Tarmac SL6
25
14%
Not sure
9
5%
 
Total votes: 181

Knightyboy27
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by Knightyboy27

Thought I'd start a new thread for peoples thoughts/rumours

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adilosnave
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by adilosnave

Probably an e-bike, fat tire, gravel recumbent.

dolophonic
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by dolophonic

WEIGHT ... :up:

dolophonic
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by dolophonic

it will be crazy light ..

FlatlandClimber
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by FlatlandClimber

adilosnave wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:27 pm
Probably an e-bike, fat tire, gravel recumbent.
6.79kg Unicycle is my bet.
Cervélo S5 Disc (2019) - 7.8kg
Open Cycles WI.DE (2019) - 8.5kg
Specialized Shiv TT Disc (2020) - 7.9kg
Specialized SW Roubaix Team (2020) - 7.3kg
—Soon— TREK Émonda SLR 9 (2021) - 6.XXkg

*all weights include pedals, computer mounts, and bottle cages.

sychen
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by sychen

1x weight weenie special Hill climb specialist bike with aero consideration... Sub 5kg out of the box... $20k with sub 1kg wheelset, unpadded carbon saddle, no bottle cage mounts.



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FactoryMatt
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by FactoryMatt

Cyclingtips sl7 podcast is interesting. The spesh engineers are mum on it. They know something.

MyM3Coupe
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by MyM3Coupe

You left out another piece of crap Asian open mold frame with dropped seat stays. I'm in such suspense. Lolz

Knightyboy27
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by Knightyboy27

FactoryMatt wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:46 am
Cyclingtips sl7 podcast is interesting. The spesh engineers are mum on it. They know something.
I'll take a listen later, but there's an interesting quote in the Cyclingtips review of the SL7

“So currently the Venge in our line right now does not meet much of a need for that rider looking for the performance product.”

Sounds like they've left an opening for something new, and the author even mentions that in their final thoughts.

madik
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by madik

Does it make sense to change the geometry of the bike that would be otherwice not possible under UCI rules? I can think mostly about seat tube angle which could be higher and therefor move the seat horizontaly closer to BB. In many cases its favorable to move the seatpost more forward as it opens the hip angle and allow more agressive position on the bike but the current geometries prevents it due to rules about minimal seat setback from BB. If the seat tube angle would be changed it would require other changes, longer reach and perhaps even lower stack of the frame.
Functionality > Performance > Weight

Knightyboy27
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by Knightyboy27

madik wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:22 am
Does it make sense to change the geometry of the bike that would be otherwice not possible under UCI rules? I can think mostly about seat tube angle which could be higher and therefor move the seat horizontaly closer to BB. In many cases its favorable to move the seatpost more forward as it opens the hip angle and allow more agressive position on the bike but the current geometries prevents it due to rules about minimal seat setback from BB. If the seat tube angle would be changed it would require other changes, longer reach and perhaps even lower stack of the frame.
That just ends up being a TT bike with dropbars on though...

I'm thinking more like some extreme frame design like the Hope track bike forks matched with a sort of Cervelo P3X frame, maybe some fairings to cover the discs etc.

Some wild Frankenbike

KyleH
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by KyleH

Knightyboy27 wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:02 am

That just ends up being a TT bike with dropbars on though...

I'm thinking more like some extreme frame design like the Hope track bike forks matched with a sort of Cervelo P3X frame, maybe some fairings to cover the discs etc.

Some wild Frankenbike
Yeah but 2 years ago they announced their UCI illegal Shiv tri bike. I don't see beam bikes catching on in the road segment and it seems so soon yet to replace the Shiv.

madik
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by madik

Knightyboy27 wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:02 am
madik wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:22 am
Does it make sense to change the geometry of the bike that would be otherwice not possible under UCI rules? I can think mostly about seat tube angle which could be higher and therefor move the seat horizontaly closer to BB. In many cases its favorable to move the seatpost more forward as it opens the hip angle and allow more agressive position on the bike but the current geometries prevents it due to rules about minimal seat setback from BB. If the seat tube angle would be changed it would require other changes, longer reach and perhaps even lower stack of the frame.
That just ends up being a TT bike with dropbars on though...

I'm thinking more like some extreme frame design like the Hope track bike forks matched with a sort of Cervelo P3X frame, maybe some fairings to cover the discs etc.

Some wild Frankenbike
Sure it will be closer to a TT bike but the change does not have to be big. Just a small move of the saddle is opening the hip angle quite a bit. But since most of the drag is from the rider then it makes sense to move the rider more forward and lower to improve the overall drag and allow more power to the pedals. Position on the bike also have to be sunstainable and the rear/front weight balance can't change by a huge margin. So I would think the seat tube angle could change lets say from 73.5 (56 Venge) to 74,5 or something similar and keep some seatpost offset to increase compliancy.
Functionality > Performance > Weight

robeambro
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by robeambro

Knightyboy27 wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:52 am
FactoryMatt wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:46 am
Cyclingtips sl7 podcast is interesting. The spesh engineers are mum on it. They know something.
I'll take a listen later, but there's an interesting quote in the Cyclingtips review of the SL7

“So currently the Venge in our line right now does not meet much of a need for that rider looking for the performance product.”

Sounds like they've left an opening for something new, and the author even mentions that in their final thoughts.
What a pile of turd.. Doesn't meet the needs.. It's basically the same bike with 100g more weight and an inch more aero. What a bunch of marketing clowns.

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MyM3Coupe wrote:You left out another piece of crap Asian open mold frame with dropped seat stays. I'm in such suspense. Lolz
So edgy ....

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