New Shiv TT on Spec Site now
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teufelhunden222
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I find the "engineering data" that you are quoting to be good. I also find your understanding of it to be lacking. You have to understand that it is a system, not just two independent leading edges out in the air. In laymans terms, you have a short fat section followed by a long skinny section. The long skinny section will benefit from the negative air pressure behind the short fat section. The gap also gives the very turbulent boundry layer air from the tire a place to escape before it is forced through the chainstays and messes up the leading edge below the frame. Try to have a bit more understanding of how things work as a system before you spew garbage on the internet.
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Please.hambini wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:48 pmI think the marketing men/women have done a good job on you...bespoke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:47 pmThey don’t need to sell more Shiv TT bikes; this whole excercise will likely cost them money; they will not recoup their investment
All the money is in gravel/all-road now
This project was likely a labour of love by a very small group of aero geeks and will make 0.0005% difference to Spez annual revenue
These are low volume bikes, like DH MTBs, if they do not perform, they will not sell and also fail to get their name in the results.
Well, I didn't get to where I was/am by having a lack of understanding but I take your kind comments on board.teufelhunden222 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:00 pmI find the "engineering data" that you are quoting to be good. I also find your understanding of it to be lacking. You have to understand that it is a system, not just two independent leading edges out in the air. In laymans terms, you have a short fat section followed by a long skinny section. The long skinny section will benefit from the negative air pressure behind the short fat section. The gap also gives the very turbulent boundry layer air from the tire a place to escape before it is forced through the chainstays and messes up the leading edge below the frame. Try to have a bit more understanding of how things work as a system before you spew garbage on the internet.
Hambini Aeronautical Engineer, Polluting YouTube since 2016 - views expressed are my own...
It's so funny when someone advices an Aeronautical Engineer to "try to have a bit more understanding of how things work as a system".
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miltmaster3
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LOLkgt wrote:It's so funny when someone advices an Aeronautical Engineer to "try to have a bit more understanding of how things work as a system".
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icantaffordcycling
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As I said before in this thread. It is cheaper than the cervelo p5 disc.mrfish wrote: price is nuts considering it is no faster than P5-6
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teufelhunden222
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When you just compared the two different airfoil types without entering the thought that there is something behind the airfoil. Hence the "system" approach.hambini wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:49 amWell, I didn't get to where I was/am by having a lack of understanding but I take your kind comments on board.teufelhunden222 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:00 pmI find the "engineering data" that you are quoting to be good. I also find your understanding of it to be lacking. You have to understand that it is a system, not just two independent leading edges out in the air. In laymans terms, you have a short fat section followed by a long skinny section. The long skinny section will benefit from the negative air pressure behind the short fat section. The gap also gives the very turbulent boundry layer air from the tire a place to escape before it is forced through the chainstays and messes up the leading edge below the frame. Try to have a bit more understanding of how things work as a system before you spew garbage on the internet.
Is one better than the other by itself? Sure is. Tell me, why would you want to bring the air back together infront of another surface? You stated that another airfoil was superior, please enlighten me as to why given the rotating surface behind it.
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The P5-6 is not the disc version. It’s the one with hydraulic rim brakes hidden under a fairing. Mine cost 5k fully loaded a few years back. Available now barely used from triathletes worldwide for very little.icantaffordcycling wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:57 amAs I said before in this thread. It is cheaper than the cervelo p5 disc.mrfish wrote: price is nuts considering it is no faster than P5-6
If you’ve ridden it you will know the Magura brakes are pretty amazing and give up nothing to discs, minus the rubbing and cleaning hassles. Speed wise from what i could read it’s very close and the latest bike was only ahead in favourable configurations. As for improved ride, weight etc unless you’re riding an Ironman or uphill gravel TT race (next year’s new trend) it doesn’t matter much as fit, saddle and tyres make the difference.
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teufelhunden222
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I guess that new Shiv must be pretty good with all those air gaps.......
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