Time Xpro 12 vs Shimano Dura Ace pedals

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Calnago
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by Calnago

@Kgt, I really didn't notice "iclic". Like I said, they were very easy to clip in. I didn't really think much of it. I find the Dura Ace very easy to clip into as well. No problems. I'd have certainly said something if I found them problematic however. I guess I might make the comparison of a Shimano shift between cogs at the rear, versus a Campagnolo shift. There's more of a clunk to the Campagnolo, but somehow I like that positive feeling, especially when it gives me confidence that my foot/pedal contact is secure. So yeah, I guess I noticed that difference. Wow!... Now that you've told me what I experienced it's positively awesomeness! I can't believe I'm not switching out all my pedals for these. Ok, maybe it's not quite that much awesomeness. I have a pair of Look Keo Ti Blades that I got when I did my "all euro" build on my C59. Paid full retail for them at the time, something like $500US, ridiculous. But damn, I thought they looked so cool... they just didn't perform anywhere near as well as the Dura-Ace at the time and I switched back within a hundred miles of use. Still have those, as I'm terrible at selling stuff unless a friend comes by and says "holy crap, I've been looking for those, are you using them..."

Here's another interesting thing about people's preferences. You say you like the "look" of TIME Pedals. You know what, if that's the only reason you got them, I'd say fine... because that's a very valid reason in my book. It's way more valid than trying to justify your decision by saying... "these have a more aero front nose piece stuck under my shoe, uglier than sin but apparently it can be shown in the "Win Tunnel" that I'm saving 0.001 watt over 40km". I would just laugh at you then. But I don't laugh at people who buy something simply because of the way it looks. I've done it. Even knowing that functionally there may be something slightly better. But at the end of the day... ya gotta do what feeds your soul. And certainly if float is really important to you, then yes, Times are great. And if you're a true weight weenie... then no question there's lighter pedals than Dura Ace for sure. I can't remember what the Expressos were, but I did weigh them for grins and they were the the lightest pedals I've ever worked with.
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mattr wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:27 pm
Yeah, the Equipe Mags were a bit taller than the Titan mags (which is what i had) Greg Lemond signature edition IIRC, after his TDF victory, late 86, early 87 at a guess.
Quite a common upgrade to pop the steel axles into the titan mag bodies, as the Ti axles of the time were a bit bendy. (not an issue for me at 8 stone wet through)

And i'm still rocking Impacts and RXS pedals, so brass cleat cams and almost limitless lifespan (and low stack height) so i've done little other than play with the later models, may upgrade if my finances settle down this year (remortgaging the house on your own puts a big hole in your bank balance!) , i need a new bike as well........ which might be the ideal opportunity to upgrade.
If you had LeMond signature edition Time pedals that probably would have been '89 at the earliest. In '86 and '87 he was riding Look pedals, as La Vie Claire's major material sponsor was Look. He did ride with Time pedals in 1988 when he was on the PDM team but I don't imagine his lack of results that year would have inspired Time to market a LeMond styled model, though I could be wrong.

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You could well be right. I had to double check which years he won TDF (but not which pedals he was using at the time) as they referenced a TDF win on the box (and the pedals).

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Well there ya go... you were one step away from winning Le Tour yourself if you bought pedals with a reference to a TDF win on the box, no matter when. At least by today's marketing standards. Yet some people try to pretend that consumer choices are completely unaffected by what the pros ride. If that were the case, there would be no sponsors.
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No, i got them to get the float, that wasn't available on anything else at the time. The MKS mapstage and Looks i'd been running up to then were beginning to cause issues.
The other alternative was going back to clips, straps and cleats.

The LeMond reference was just for timing purposes! As above, probably 1989.

i peaked a couple of divisions below the tour de france.............

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by RocketRacing

For the price of the two pedals discussed, xpedo thrust sl and sl ti are in the ballpark. I have a set on order.

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@mattr: Right you are, same here... well I really didn’t know squat about clipless pedals back then... I got mine as a first foray into clipless pedals. And they looked pretty cool. And the float thing seemed like a good idea.
Sounds like you were far more successful on yours than I was on mine. I fell off my first ride next to a curb and scraped my brand new Campy Chorus crank all up. Lol. I still have those cranks. Ah... memories.
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Yeah. My last clipless driven tumble was actually on the MKS pedals.

They really were horrific.

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by Wingnut

I’ve used every model of Time pedals and would say the original Titan Mag were the best, the wide platform just gave so much stability. The bearings were smooth but the cleats limited shoe choices unless you bought an adapter. I’m riding with Expresso pedals currently, the main issues I have are the bushes creating play on the axle and the sharp edges. My cleates are due for a change now after many km’s. I love the float of Time pedals, your foot moves into a more natural position and allows this with regard to any discrepancies from left to right legs.

I had the Shimano Dura-Ace pedals and everything is great about them except one thing. The cleat float sucks, it doesn’t really feel like float at all? It’s more like cleats at their near end death and have worn out, a litte bit of lateral float up front and a less than useful pivot at the back.

I’ve purchased a set of Xpro’s so I’m hoping the bearing quality is improved as I’ve been hearing it has. IMO Shimano’s are just better versions of LOOK’s.
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by kgt

IME xpro are an evolution of the xpresso in a good way. Do not expect DA quality bearings but certainly they are better.

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by petert123

Wingnut wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:03 pm
I’ve used every model of Time pedals and would say the original Titan Mag were the best, the wide platform just gave so much stability. The bearings were smooth but the cleats limited shoe choices unless you bought an adapter. I’m riding with Expresso pedals currently, the main issues I have are the bushes creating play on the axle and the sharp edges. My cleates are due for a change now after many km’s. I love the float of Time pedals, your foot moves into a more natural position and allows this with regard to any discrepancies from left to right legs.

I’ve purchased a set of Xpro’s so I’m hoping the bearing quality is improved as I’ve been hearing it has. IMO Shimano’s are just better versions of LOOK’s.
Totally. I''ll try and dig up a picture but I loved my pedals, with matching shoes.

I do hope the Xpro's are better ? After 25+ years I've switched over the winter to trying Speedplay's, because there was always play in the bearings - I've tried all the models until now, up to and including the 15's.

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by ipaul

I recently tried a set of the Xpro 10’s. Not sure others have noticed or had issues, but the interface with the front of the cleat seems off? I would feel the front tip of the cleat “slap” up against the hook portion when I pulled up. Tried two sets of shoes and cleats, same issue. Never felt this on my Xpresso. When looking at closely to me, there seems to be some bow to the pedals front and a gap between the interface. Didn’t get to far in them to evaluate bearing wear or feel as I ended up returning them. Anyone else noticing this? May try a new set to see if problem was just bad luck.
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by mortirolo

I haven't Xpro 12, but:

Weight:
My xpresso 12 is 158g (with bearings) (154g with original bushing)
cleat 2x32g=64g
steel factory bolts 6x3=18g (too long for my DMT shoes, so I use shorter and lighter)

Lower stack height (center of pedal axle to bottom of the sole) 13.5mm vs. DA 13.7mm
TIME: about 5.3mm (height of cleat) +Xmm (center of pedal axle to bottom of the cleat)

Cleat durability and "walking stack height":
It's a pedal system for road cyling not for walking or running.
I bought CLEATSKINS, so I still use my first cleats...

bearing quality:
TIME use NTN bearings...

resting position of TIME pedals:
Center of the gravity:
Very close to the center of the axle, so You need very precise preload adjusting (with NTN bearings too).
I made it, but SHIMANO win.

Noise: I've never had a peep or a squeak out of my (clean) TIME pedals.

Iclic is the best pedal closure system.

Flot: TIME's the best.

TIME's are the best for a ww road bike. End of story.
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by petosagan

I have both.
Xpresso very light.
Look good

Dura ace.. very strong.
Better cleats
Heavier

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by Calnago

If you want skating rink smooth type float, get the TIME. For everything else, Shimano. Don’t know where the quoted above 13.7mm stack height for Dura ace came from but it’s wrong. DA stack height is 8mm and change (<9mm). Cleat stack is noticeably lower too. Walkability far superior with DA. Cleats last longer. Very stable. Unless you jump directly on your bike as soon as you put on your shoes, and never get off your bike during a ride to go to the bathroom, have a break, go in some cafe for lunch, you will appreciate how easy the Shimano cleats are to walk in.
Caveat... I believe the cleats for the Xpro12’s are the same as for the XPro10, but not sure. I’ve used the Expressos and the XPro10’s in addition to the Dura Ace.
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