They ride a track with a Powertap, possibly with an SRM as well (in most recent tests), at a moderate speed (150 watts, resulting speed 23-28.5 kph) then use AnalyticCycling to extract a Crr, which they temperature-adjust using results from a control tire. This isn't the most scientific method possible, as they don't say how they adjust for Crr.. personally I like the Chung method which is similar but slightly different. They inflated tires to the Berto recommended pressure, which targets 15% drop (ie loss of rolling radius due to load = 15% of the tire radius measured laterally, on the rim). But the results are sufficiently comprehensive that they are of interest. An in any case, if I want to criticize their methods, I should do my own freakin' test.
The following numbers I pulled from a bar graph, without grid lines, by eye, so there's some potential for small error probably less than the testing precision.
The best tires are various out-of-production racing tubulars which are no longer available starting with a Challenge 33-622 tubular @ 0.25%. The Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX 25-622 clincher (with butyl tubes) is 0.32%. The same tubulars were next @ 0.34%. Vittoria Rubino's 25-622 were next @ 0.40%. Then Michelin Pro2 Race 25-622 and Grand Bois 32-622 were @ 0.43%, Grand Bois 29-622 @ 0.44%, Grand Bois 25-622 and Challenge Paris-Roubaix 27-622 @ 0.45%, Michelin Pro2 Race 23-622 and Continental Ultra Gator Skin 23-622 at 0.47%. I'll leave it there, but the list continues to an airless tire 28-622 which measured at an incredible 1.46%.
1. Air pressure has remarkably little effect on smooth roads, but on rough roads helps. Tubulars can be run at lower pressure, so this is an advantage, even if they don't necessarily have lower rolling resistance at the same pressure based on the results from the Vittoria.
2. Narrow tires don't lower rolling resistance.
The difference between these results and roller tests is credited to suspension losses, since at higher pressures the rider bounces more, which is lossy.
I was shocked at how poorly the Michelin Pro Race 2 tires did. I have Pro Race 4 tires and really like them. That the Pro2 would test close to Gator Skins, which are generally acknowledged to be slow, is surprising.
I hadn't realized the Corsa CX's were available in 25C. Those, it seems, are the winner here. But more generally that fat tires, even 32mm, can be quite fast.
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One thing is with tubulars Al Morrison has documented that gluing technique has a strong effect, and so I would have liked to see this documented. It's hard to draw conclusions about tubulars versus clinchers otherwise.
See Zipp data on tire width, keeping in mind that the 303 was specifically designed for less penalty with 25mm tires: http://velonews.competitor.com/files/20 ... s-Zipp.png
related on the clincher front conti 4000S are winners on both CRR and aero testing
tour mag results
flo wheels tested aero drag of tires on there excellent wheelsets
conti was fastest. vittoria cx the slowest
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djconnel wrote:They ride a track with a Powertap, possibly with an SRM as well (in most recent tests), at a moderate speed (150 watts, resulting speed 23-28.5 kph) then use AnalyticCycling to extract a Crr, which they temperature-adjust using results from a control tire. This isn't the most scientific method possible, as they don't say how they adjust for Crr.. personally I like the Chung method which is similar but slightly different. They inflated tires to the Berto recommended pressure, which targets 15% drop (ie loss of rolling radius due to load = 15% of the tire radius measured laterally, on the rim). But the results are sufficiently comprehensive that they are of interest. An in any case, if I want to criticize their methods, I should do my own freakin' test.
I'm glad they've switched to this kind of test, though of course I'm guessing that if the protocol is exactly as you describe their precision isn't very good. Here's how Heine described his Crr testing protocol last year, which involved a hill coast down, two spotters spaced 184m apart, and an unspecified way to synchronize the timing devices.
My protocol is pretty different because it's not done at either constant speed or constant power.
Some readers might find a Crr of 0.34% more familiar as .0034, but it can be handy if you recognize that Crr scales exactly like a slope, so an additional 0.1% in Crr is just like a slope which is 0.1% steeper.
The Pro2 tests might be old. BQ has been doing tests for years, and these were a compendium. Still, I find those numbers surprising. I don't know the difference between Pro2 tires and Pro4.
In contrast, Contintental Gatorskins?
They have also done roll-down tests on a soapbox derby race track. Here they relied on gravity to provide the power. There would be a small error from differences in rolling mass as a % of total mass... but that's small.
They claim to have used a set of reference tires as a control but comparing tests done at different times is tricky. Differences in wind resistance are also a factor, as was noted, but these tests were all at relatively low speed where tire rolling resistance is still important. Variability in human rolling resistance is a greater concern, perhaps. So I think it's good to look for trends in tests like these (for example, fatter tires aren't slower; relatively lower pressures aren't as slow as one might think) rather than focus too heavily on the one particular number. But the CX Evos have consistently tested well in tests, these included, so I think it says a lot for those tires, which I hadn't realized were available in 25's.
So, if you have any questions about a specific tire, your best bet is just to test the exact tire. In terms of variability among tires, my experience is that all of the Lion Tyre Company tires (Vittoria/Bontrager/Zipp/Ritchey etc) are remarkably consistent (although there are significant differences among the various tires they make, obviously).
As far the gluing methods making a difference with tubulars, I recently bought a used Stinger 6 with a VittoriaEvo CX 23, glued about 1 year ago with Mastic One. I'd describe it as "poorly glued", with some of the edges easily visible if I pulled up the edge of an uninflated tire. Not unsafe, but not fast. Crr was .0039 on my rollers. After gluing it properly to minimize Crr, it dropped to .0031. So yeah, gluing method makes a huge difference. A well-glued mediocre tire can be faster than a 'fast', poorly glued tire in my experience.
Here''s a video of a similar system
Doesn't the Vittoria Evo CX have a really bad reputation for wet grip? I seem to recall having read here on weightweenies that pros refused to use it, leading to the creation of the SC. And indeed all the Vittoria neutral service cars at last year's Tour of Austria had wheels with SCs on (the only race I went to see a stage).
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