We went for a ride today, after 3" of snow and ice the other day. Lots of gravel,salt,glass and just plain shitty shoulders.
We were both on tubies. My riding partner was on corsa cx 23 and I was on a TUFO s33 lite 21 on front and a elite ride 23 on the rear. These tufos have about 1500 miles on them.
My buddy flatted twice in a 45 mile ride. His tires have 500 miles on them. One he sealed up and the rear he put on a s33 pro that should of been discarded years ago.
The quality control over the last few years has gotten 100% better.
I just do not get the hatred for these tubulars. I love them and have for years. They are not real expensive either.
Some of the other forums people just bash this brand to no end.
I pay about $60 per pair and can get a whole year out of them. Then I will use it as a spare tucked tight under the seat.
Vittoria pave would be my next in line.
Now granted, I no longer race and just like to ride so for racing there are better tires.
I am just an old guy trying to stay young.
And as many have coined the phrase - they are like riding on garden hose (non compliant).
If you're going to ride tubbies then do it well.
In order to get them to roll fairly quickly you have to run them @ 150 psi, and glass will cut them fairly easily
at that pressure. The sealant didn't work even at 90 or 100 psi let alone 150.
Meaning I was throwing away barely worn tires. Which in a regular could have been repaired.
I just like not having to worry about flatting far from the house.
Thanks for the information all the same.
I run mine @ 130# most of the time.
tommasini wrote:And as many have coined the phrase - they are like riding on garden hose (non compliant).
I bought a pair a while back, took them out of the box and that was my exact impression after touching the tires; that they felt like garden hose. I promptly sent them back and got a pair of decent tubulars instead.
They also are quite hard and can not be stretched at all. In my oponion, this is their biggest problem. They are not comfortable and rolling resistance is worse. You can feel it when you install then. When I installed my first tubulars, I was advised to continualy stretch them across rim. With Tufos, I was never able to stretch them even a little bit. So after a few tries I gave up and did not try to stretch them anymore. When I installed my first Vittoria tubular, I was shocked how much stretchier theese tubulars are. I was able to feel how they can be stretched across the rim when I was installing them.
Best Tufos I rode were Elite Pulse triatlon tubulars. Theese are more comfortable than "standard" Tufos, and puncture resistance is still good.
So for me, tufos are great for winter training and If you prefer durable tubulars. If You prefer ride quality and low rolling resistance, there are much better tubulars than Tufos.
And Ridley X-Fire Disc http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=124026&p=1056055#p1056055
After years of trying all sorts these have the best balance of; handling
, grip, ride, durability, ease of maintenance ( butyl inner)....
Keeping in mind I ride in the tropics, so the temp is always warm and hence can't vouch for winter condition grip etc...
2nd in line is the scale ultremo ht 25mm... Similar save for lower durability (easier to cut up) and latex inner tube.. These ride a tiny bit smoother, but there's bugger all in it....
I won't run Victoria anymore cos the bloody things flat so easily.... pITA IMO
For my nice wheels and nice days it's Veloflex - no compromise. Veloflex Sprinters are the finest tubs I've ridden and I always have them on my Lightweights.
CarpetFibre wrote:For keeping flats at bay I find Continental Sprinters to be great. They're really cheap and I've never managed to flat one. I run them at lower pressures 90F/100R and they don't roll so bad.
I've used Continental Sprinter tubulars. And they do flat. Maybe not as much as the lightweight latex tubulars. But they do flat. Around 100 psi for me.
Even tho they were not the best back than they would rarely flat and would last for a few races.
For crits we would go with michelin clinchers as they handled and cornered good and were sticky as hell.
I know the technology and compounds has come leaps and bounds in the last decade. I just always stuck with tufo since that time. I have tried a few over the years and seem to always go back to what works for me.
I am gonna they some other tires this year to give them a chance. Conti's and veloflex are at the top of my list so far.
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