you can ride around a hole, you dont always have a choice in how hard you break. The first breaks the wheels if the second fails you could die
ultimobici wrote:Tinea Pedis wrote:As an aside, Red Kite Prayer has never found any issues with Enve SES rims distorting under heavy braking. My guess also is it is probably a pair of the earlier 45mm clinchers.
Not what they say at all. They have no experience at all of it but are merely reporting retailers comments.
+1...RKP is perhaps the worst cycling blog/review site on earth...just parroting what they read and most of the time not even getting that right. Just my two cents...EM3
tigoose wrote:Clinchers anyway. Descended Mt. Baw Baw in Victoria , Australia yesterday and punctured numerous times and noticing the rim was extremly hot when repairing. Anyway at the end of the day the front brake tracks have rippled from the ride.
p.s. this isn't a slam on enve at all as we're guessing it's a rare problem.
I don't know about other riders here but I wouldn't do that descent on carbon clinchers, it averages 12% with sections up to 18% and a pretty windy road. Not a place for novice descenders on carbon clinchers.
It's quite common for carbon clinchers to do that when over heated, especially earlier models.
Just tell him to buy something more suitable for the mountains and save the Enves for flatter days. (That is unless all he does is go up and down Baw Baw.)
I’d assume that with a c59 and 3.4s already, Fulcrum Zeros aren’t going to be out of his budget.
As one weight weenie once put it, - Life’s too short to have one set of wheels.
It doesn't sound like a place where not riding the brakes is always an option, especially if there's any traffic. It's also not going to have anything like "Alpine" cooling.
But it's not a super long climb and the profile looks pretty manageable.
That said, with all the generalizations popping in here about Carb clichers...
It's worth a mention that Zipp are at 2.5 years without a heat related claim on firecrest clinchers... Like most things I would guess others will eventually get there, but they just have a design that shouldn't get lumped in with generalizations about carb clinchers at this point.
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.
Just to add my 5 cents to this discussion.
I have a number of Carbon Clinchers.
A set of Carbon Sports Lightweights Gen 3, a set of Mad Fibers, and two sets of Tune Swarzbrenners, 42 mm, and also the 32mm. Also some Zipp 404 Firecrest.
Also a set of Enve 3.4 tubs.
I do a reasonable amount of recreational riding in the mountains of Europe, and also here in Victoria.
So far I melted the braking surfaces of the Tune 32 mm wheels in Italy. The braking surface has integrated alloy for heat dispersion, not really adequate.
I have also managed to damage the braking surface of the Lightweight front wheel twice. Yes. The first time CS would not cover warranty as I used Yellow Swiss Stop pads, instead of their proprietary Grey Pads. The second time they covered wheel damage and replaced wheel with new Gen Millenstein wheel with new improved braking surface,
What does all this tell me?
Well, as I don't use my brakes really anymore than any other middle aged recreational racer they are probably manifestly unsuited for hot conditions, steep descents, eg Mortirolo, Baw Baw etc, or the prolonged 30/40 Kms descents found in Italy/France etc. Trailing brakes stuck behind vehicles can be a significant problem.l
IMHO stick to alloy clinchers in the big mountains, less chance of a catastrophic failure that could really really ruin your day.l
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