FarSports 50mm Carbon Clincher Review Thread, The

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Imaking20
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by Imaking20

Following the lead of predrefeu (who's name I read incorrectly every time, thanks)


Weight: 1415g (including stans tubeless tape installed)
Rims: "lightweight" from FarSports
Spokes: Sapim CX-Ray
Hubs: Bitex hubs, yapanese EZO bearings
Drilling: 20h front, 24h rear
Finish: matte 3k finish

Rider Weight at time of review: ~174lbs
Tires: Continental GP4000s "Black Chili", 23mm
Tubes: Continental standard tubes with no name valve extenders
Brakes: SRAM Force
Pads: Blue pads supplied by Farsports
Skewers: 44g KCNC Ti
PSI: Typically 100psi front and rear.

Review terms: ~10-12 weeks of all around use including racing

Build Quality
The wheels are about the quality you'd expect for $650-700 for a new product. Finish quality was good and the wheels looked great on the bike and got a fair bit of attention despite being matte finish. Mine saw some unfortunately sized bumps and potholes on fast descents that rotated my bars down in the stem - but no noticeable deflection in the rim and absolutely no damage (verified by LBS). I even flatted the rear on a moderate descent (~35mph) and didn't die! The wheels were plenty stiff for my pedal mashing self - no brake rub like I noticed when climbing on my ROL D'Huez wheels.

Hubs:
The hubs are OK. I opted for the Bitex hubs due to price and stateside availability (from bikehubstore.com) and while they're not the most buttery feeling hubs I've ridden - I never felt like I was riding underwater.

Braking
These were also my first carbon wheel experience and my first experience with a deeper wheel. Most of my braking was gradual and on flat ground as I'm not much of a fan of braking while going downhill (everyone has to be fast somewhere - uphill sure aint it for me!) and can't think of 5 panic braking situations I experienced while on these wheels. For the most part, braking felt very similar to the braking I experienced on my stock swissstop black pads and aluminum braking surface. The exception was definitely in those panic braking situations where I wasn't able to modulate the brakes as well and I definitely noticed brake fade. For comparison, I'm now on HED Stinger 6 wheels and Swissstop yellow pads and the braking feels every bit as good, if not better, than my HED Belgiums with Swissstop black pads.
Towards the end of my use on this setup I'd started getting some squealing as well. And the supplied blue pads wore very fast.

Braking in the WetI never rode in terribly wet conditions on these wheels.


Aero Qualities & Sidewinds
With my weight and build I'm not really one to get bullied by sidewinds. There were a few training rides I was on where my line was a little disturbed by truck traffic (go figure) and one race where I got pushed from one lane to another on a fast descent - that wasn't fun as it was followed then by a very sharp turn bordered by barbed wire fencing. I did notice these wheels in crosswinds more than my standard depth wheels (24-27mm) but it was never a concern for me.
As for aero qualities and perceived speed; I was disappointed to never really feel like these wheels offered my anything in the performance department. That's ultimately why I sold them. They were cool... and they looked cool... they spun up pretty quickly but felt no faster than my aluminum wheels and didn't hold speed well enough to consider it an advantage.

Cornering and Ride Quality
Stiff. I was happy to never have an issue where lateral stiffness was a concern. The wheels didn't ride particularly plush nor overly harsh but they also never gave me a reason to worry about their durability - they just felt solid underneath me - which is why I didn't hesitate to train on them regularly.

Extras
The wheels came with a pair of titanium skewers and blue pads - I never used the skewers and the pads wore out like tissue paper.

Other Statements
My overall impression of these wheels was that they were quite ordinary and nothing about them really left me saying "wow." They're nearly the same weight as my Belgium rims laced to the same hubs using Sapim double butted spokes and the latter are more comfortable with an even lower price tag. They don't feel as fast nor brake as well as my HED Stingers but they did feel a touch faster to spin up - where my Stingers have a little more noticeable baggage on spin up... which I'll happily accept for how well they hold speed.

And there you have it :)
(I'll add more if anything comes to me - I'm rushing through my lunch break at the moment)
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artray
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by artray

:thumbup: . It seems from your review and predrefeus review that theres not that much of an aero advantage going to the 50mm . Nice writing :beerchug:

afalts
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by afalts

Imaking20 wrote:Following the lead of predrefeu (who's name I read incorrectly every time, thanks)


Haha you still have it wrong. Look at it as two words (if you know any french); prendre, & feu. Direct translation would be 'take fire'.

These reviews need pictures. And, of course, follow ups.

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by maxxevv

The biggest issues many people face when switching to lighter wheels is that they don't switch their styles of riding.

Most ride heavier wheels with a certain tempo in their pedaling style. It fluctuates during the pedal cycle between power and relaxed follow through. It works well on 'heavier' wheels as the angular momentum of these wheels will carry the motion through.

On lighter wheels, it requires a different pedaling style. One that's smooth and continuous through the cycle/stroke. Reason being that lighter wheels lose momentum as fast as they gain momentum and you can't rely on them like a flywheel in smoothing out the pedaling strokes.

Its something which many people complain but never really think about when they swap to lighter wheels and lighter bikes.

shadwell
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by shadwell

50mm rims defineatly do provide an aero advantage over for example 24mm alu of othewise identical build... just not these ones... (cos they are not designed to be aero with the 23mm tyre run on them (or any other idth arguably))...

Suggest the Bontrager 5 D3 wheels to make the point.... dead on 50mm and they in (tubular at least) spin up well and hold speed well....

Other than that a good write up, thanks...

wolfesquire
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by wolfesquire

Contemplating getting the 50mm Tubulars from Far Sports.........would you suggest Far Sports to others?

Imaking20
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by Imaking20

Maxxevv: I don't really think that's a point of concern in my case as the weight of these wheels was within 30 grams of 2 other wheel sets I had.

Shadwell: I didn't say 50mm wheels don't offer an Aero advantage. I said I didn't feel anything with these and this was simply to be a review - not a comparison of 50mm wheels out there. For the record, however, the Bontrager wheels you mentioned are at the sharp end of my list if I were to purchase a brand new setup.

Wolfesquire: I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend people nor turn them away. I'd first encourage people to hunt Craigslist as great deals can usually be had secondhand. I picked up my HED stingers with vittoria tires glued and a sram cassette for $1050 shipped and I would whole heartedly say at pricepoints that close the HED is the way to go.
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roadytracky
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by roadytracky

Which VeloPlugs (yellow or red) do you guys use with Far Sports FSC50-CM?

axium
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by axium

Has anyone tried converting these 50mm wheels to tubeless? Any success?

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by Imaking20

I've heard neither Veloplug works well with the Farsport rims. I used stans tape - nearly the same weight (I think I had 6-10 grams for both wheels), cheaper, and readily accessible.


I wouldn't run these tubeless.
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by eric

I used red Veloplugs in mine. They needed to be pressed in with a tool. I used a 1/4" drive handle.
At least this way they're not going to fall out while changing a tube by the side of the road.
If I was to do it again I'd use Rox tape.

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theremery
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by theremery

I used red veloplugz.....pushed about half in by hand and about half I needed to push them in with the bar of my T-bar spoke key.
Updated: Racing again! Thought this was unlikely! Eventually, I may even have a decent race!
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by winky

Great review and other good feedback. The only thing we are missing is some pics.

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roadytracky
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by roadytracky

I am in the middle of my 1st warranty experience with Farsports. I have a wheel with a rear Ceramic EdHub that from the moment it 1st arrived at my door has not been right. I should've complained about it when I 1st received it, but I was anxious to ride it (I had to wait about a month from the time they received payment until I received it) and get started with my season. From the beginning the hub didn't spin smoothly, there was a pinging sound when I would pedal (I thought it could be the spokes originally, but later on realized it was bad ceramic bearings), and the free hub was LOUD. Being how this was my 1st road wheel from Farsport I thought this kind of low quality must be normal. After about a month I noticed there was considerable play in the axle. I took it to my LBS. The mechanic tried tightening the allen heads on the ends of the axle, but the play remained. He opened the hub, and showed me the hub, axle, and ceramics were bad. I hadn't even ridden 300 miles on this thing yet. Kyle had me fill out a form and send him some photos. Last night he sent me an e-mail saying "Mae" would be in touch regarding the issue. I have 5 other wheels I've bought from Farsports in the past 6 months (2 track wheels w/Novatec hubs and 3 road wheels w/Ceramic EdHubs). I haven't had any issues with them so hopefully they replace this wheel quickly and without too much hassle so I can continue to order wheels and recommend wheels from them. I will definitely keep you all updated as to my experience with this warranty issue.

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roadytracky
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by roadytracky

Warranty Claim Update - I received an e-mail from Kyle this morning saying he shipped a new rear hub out to replace my defective hub.

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