hopefully the price wont change much and they offer framesets and we can see them on scale by this fall.
i havent checked, but what are the R5Ca weighing in @ 56 size frame?
JWolf wrote:I have a 54 CA not a 56
JWolf wrote:And they are all a bit different - even in the same size I am told.
What was the weight of your 54?
justkeepedaling wrote:Correct, considering every frame is essentially made to order by hand, there is some variation from bike to bike.
i know they are made in California, by cervelo's engineer (i think). i thought these are mass produced frames, still. not made to order like a crumpton, parlee z1, etc. i dont think i can go ahead and say, "hey, can you change this or that". the lay up for every size 56 is the same, yes? the carbon used is precision cut by a machine and then laid down on a bladder/mould (or whatever they use), so i would assume very close weights for every frame. i would say all carbon frames are hand laid except for the impec; havent seen an automated system spitting out carbon frames. just because its not made in cali doesnt mean its not made by hand - chinese are people too my friend...lol <---joke.
i think the R5Ca is great. my long time friend and shop owner got 10 or 12 of them (4 sold in a day). i just think the price is too great for the frameset. yes, its nice, but it is not limited enough to justify the price. I dont know the price of the Evo nano black yet, but i am willing to bet it will be lighter and cost 1/3 of the price. i know its made in china and Ca is made in USA, which i am a big fan of, but come on $10k? i would need a lot of spare cash to agree to that price.
Funny thing about this discussion is that they no longer make them and have not made them for many months. People complaining about the high price can now rest peacefully because you can no longer order one. Cervelo had a few left over but it looks like they stopped making them around the time they were having cash flow problems. I believe that the only reason they are still listed on the Cervelo web site is there are a few dealers that still have one in stock but the number is getting smaller.
I don’t think Cervelo was ever really set up to make that many. They never wanted to make that many and I think the demand was higher than they expected.
As far as price I think you could make a good argument either way. I have a friend that recently bought a carbon fiber ladder for his yacht. These are the ladders that you see when you walk down the dock. The aluminum ladders are heavy and are difficult to lift up and store. The carbon fiber ladders are much lighter but I was surprised that he had to pay $24k for a ladder and had to wait much longer than you would expect because they can’t build them fast enough.
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fletch62 wrote:What about the A2J frame that was floating around a while back?
Dont know if its in production yet tho.
They will build a 750 gr frame for testing if I recall right.
Unless there is a revolutionary change in materials used, 700g will be here for quite a while.
That being said, merely 10%-15% of the full bike weight is indeed plenty light already. Component integration will be the main source to milk more weight savings. What I'd like to see is a better crank/BB design (sorry but I truly believe so) and hub/cassette interface. Recon apparently has some really cool and light hub/cassette combo that they may release soon, I was told.
I think it will be back soon if it's gone - my guess is if they no longer are making them it because they are designing an electronic version to replace the old model. I asked them about a DI2 version about 3 months ago and they said maybe soon.
As far as cost is concerned - when you reach the limit of mass produced quality - and a manufacturer of anything - be it a car, aircraft or bike - makes something by hand - in very limited quantities - that moves the benchmark for a while - the cost increase will never be equal to the gain in performance - but if you want to own the best - you AG the difference.
Also, when I compare the quality of the build of my Cervelo to any of my other "high end" bikes - it is night and day. Aside from it being my lightest bike - it is also my best finished bike. The only think that is close in quality is my Colnago. There is zero metal on a CA - and the tolerances must be incredibly tight. To get a press fit BBright bottom bracket to work, the tolerance of the BB Shell must be 5x tighter than a normal BB Shell - that's why Cervelo only offers it on the CA. It save about an ounce in the bottom bracket, and it actually makes the bike stiffer - but they cannot achieve those tolerances on their mass produced bikes - which are very good - but not as perfect.
P.S. on build quality - I do not own a Z1 - but have heard that they are very good. But I do have another Cervelo, a Conago, and a BMC Impec.
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