IF you were in the market for an aero set of clincher wheels today AND you bought a set, what would you use them for?
I bought sourced rims and hubs from China and Taiwan and had my local mechanic put together a very nice set of tubulars with them for around $600 total, w/Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I could have done the same with clinchers. Have you considered that route?
newfy wrote:It's amazing how everyone knocks the stuff from China. I cant wait till Edge moves there production overseas and it will be all peaches and cream. Ive seen everything break it does not matter the name or the origins of the product.
Nobody is knocking anything because it's 'from China'. Some of the best bike parts in the world come from China, some of the worst crap in the world does too.
The problem is with unbranded parts coming from unverifiable sources. Is it a reliable component that has been designed to do the intended job, QC'd and warrantied by a legally established company? Or is it a guy who found a factory who makes things in the shape people want, out of the material people want and is selling them for a great mark-up on the internet?
A wheel made by Easton is a very different product than a wheel than 'a wheel that was made in the same factory as Easton'. One of those is verifiable, the other, not at all.
There's just no way to know what you're going to get. When you're going down a hill at 50 mph, it's nice to know that your equipment is up to the job.
The shape people want is usually the case. The material however is very frequently not. The nock off and no-name direct stuff very frequently isnt made from the same grade carbon (and for wheels, the proper resin is even more critical).
Short cut material quality, drop proper layup and cure time and temp and pressure and you drop cost... and bingo- HUGE SAVINGS.
Nobody said anything about the high quality eastern manufactured products that are produced for responsible companies with a lot of time, history and money invested in their brand... Those products are designed and tested to meet the safety and performance standards over time.
It's the garbage from companies with little or nothing to lose that get the negative posts. Reject runs, under spec material, molds / hardware that have been used too much and no longer produce acceptable parts for manufacturers who require a quality product...
That's not always the case, but it also is the case.
And you have no recourse against failure and you have no idea how many different people have been harmed because the brands either have no name and or change names like the wind... And or the people that made the mistake are VERY frequently too chickensh!t to admit they made a mistake after harping about how great something is...
I would agree that there are some shady sellers on eBay and the like. I will agree that con artists will take seconds and rejected parts and sell them as brand name. I will agree that some manufacturers design and build questionable items.
I will also assert that this is not a Chinese problem. All these issues occur anywhere items are designed, made and sold. Unless you think Paul Lew operated out of Shanghai? Unless you think some greedy Americans/Canadians/Italians/Finns would never try to scam gullible cyclists by selling shoddy parts?
PezTech, I don't know what it is lately but I have been finding your posts to be rather xenophobic in content and tone. Maybe it's just me? If so, I'll admit it. I'm just telling you what I see. From anecdotal evidence, I wouldn't think that products from a company like Hong-Fu suffer worse defect rates than Zipp. Absent any hard numbers or forum postings/threads I can't imagine how you could say otherwise.
Quality can come from China and it does, but it requires a decent size of organization to kick a large size boot, good procedures, and quality control.
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