Who manufactures CERVELO's frames?

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Anti-american sentiment isnt limited to Clarkson. That said, I havent seen many australian motor journalists (apart from those who sound like their reading off a press release) like American cars either.

But hey, you never know, American cars may look good to some people, and may not fall to peices on use :lol:

This thing is way offtopic, but that said...Ariel Atoms are extremely cool :)

(Thread should probably be locked - nothing more is going to come of this, nonone really knows anything more about where cervelo bikes are manufactured)
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HOWMUCHDOESITWEIGH? wrote:Anyone know where and by who Cervelo frames are manufactured.


Just in case people were wondering what this topic was about...

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Americans should not be making cars PERIOD! Especially FORD (Found On Road siDe). End of discussion.
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I hate to really contribute to this "car" topic vs. the OP's orignial topic but I think the anti-american car thing is utter BS. Look at any consumer magazine and most euro brands such as VW, Mercedes, Porsche, SAAB, Audi, and the like have sub-par reliability scores. From experience, my VW and Audi spent way too much time at the shop. As much as it pains me to say, unless your car says Honda/Acura or Lexus reliablity scores are not any better or are even worse than American cars. Trolls go home...

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shabbasuraj wrote:Last stuff I read was, that Cervelo frames were made in mainland China... Can't find the article, but the mag is inthe garage somewhere...


My new R3 frame has a big sticker that reads "Made in China"

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Warblade wrote:Americans should not be making cars PERIOD! Especially FORD (Found On Road siDe). End of discussion.

Think that's supposed to be "Found On Road Dead" . Personally, I'm waiting for a good american car and some of the new ones comming out do look like better quality but time will tell. German and Japanese are built to last, American are built to last 5 years. That needs to improve.

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Warblade wrote:Americans should not be making cars PERIOD! Especially FORD (Found On Road siDe). End of discussion.


This will all be moot in a few years anyway, and Detroit continues to spend the least on R&D, and the most on executive salaries, they will just spiral into obscurity.

Are SRAM Force made in the US?

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HOWMUCHDOESITWEIGH? wrote:Anyone know where and by who Cervelo frames are manufactured. I tried to get the info off a SCOTT rep I spoke with recently, but he would not budge... claiming he was too good a friend of Phil and Gerard. He did tell me that I would be suprised as to who was doing it, and the other brands they were manufacturing...

I need to know! O.K. not really, but I'm interested... anyone?


My contact in Taiwan told me Cervelo is done by C-6, in taiwan. C-6 is part of PMG carbon.

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DocRay wrote:
This will all be moot in a few years anyway, and Detroit continues to spend the least on R&D, and the most on executive salaries, they will just spiral into obscurity.

Are SRAM Force made in the US?


No I don't think so. Interesting take on the R&D thing... I've noticed the same in certain US & European bike companies... who seem to spend more in marketing than R&D or investing in fabrication technology. The last time I looked. Giant spent something like 2% of its annual revenues on R&D in its Taichung R&D lab which has something like 80 employees. And while a lot of folks try to pretend asians are somehow soul-less & thus the bike is soulless (whatever that means) or have no passion in the machine.... I do know the founders Mr. Liu & Lo.... the former is an elderly man who rides his bike & started in the business himself, wears bikemechanic clothes & still is relatively hands down... while the younger Lo = the marketing/sales guy. The facility is Taichung is simply quite amazing... (you'll find about 1000 buried scrapped early composite frames under Giant's composite layout facility).

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strobbekoen wrote:My contact in Taiwan told me Cervelo is done by C-6, in taiwan. C-6 is part of PMG carbon.


Well, your contact is wrong. This is the current situation in the bike industry. The vast majority of frames in made in China. After that, one of three things can happen with the frame:

1) It is shipped to market, bearing a "Made in China" label
2) It is shipped to Taiwan, where paying a 5% import tax allows you to relabel it as "Made in Taiwan"
3) It is shipped to for example Italy, which has very lax laws that allow you to do a little bit of labor (for example paint the frame) and relabel it "Made in Italy".

So a lot of the frames you see labeled as Made in Taiwan, Italy or elsewhere are actually made in China. But companies fear that consumers don't want a frame from China so you get duped into believing it was made elsewhere. There is a company that almost everybody thinks has the biggest Taiwan carbon frame factory, but in reality they don't make a single frame in Taiwan. All they have in Taiwan is a relabel facility, all the frames are made in China.
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Thanks gerard

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gerard@cervelo.com wrote:
strobbekoen wrote:My contact in Taiwan told me Cervelo is done by C-6, in taiwan. C-6 is part of PMG carbon.


Well, your contact is wrong. This is the current situation in the bike industry. The vast majority of frames in made in China. After that, one of three things can happen with the frame:

1) It is shipped to market, bearing a "Made in China" label
2) It is shipped to Taiwan, where paying a 5% import tax allows you to relabel it as "Made in Taiwan"
3) It is shipped to for example Italy, which has very lax laws that allow you to do a little bit of labor (for example paint the frame) and relabel it "Made in Italy".

So a lot of the frames you see labeled as Made in Taiwan, Italy or elsewhere are actually made in China. But companies fear that consumers don't want a frame from China so you get duped into believing it was made elsewhere. There is a company that almost everybody thinks has the biggest Taiwan carbon frame factory, but in reality they don't make a single frame in Taiwan. All they have in Taiwan is a relabel facility, all the frames are made in China.


Thanks for the info, but regardless if that frame was made in Taiwan or China, it held up pretty well when it crashed into the gaurdrail and launched ten feet into the air and came crashing down, ISP and all. I'm pretty sure that's the same bike he finished the stage with, but can anyone verify that?

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Everything is made in China...

The above post by G again proves that where your frame is made is moot...

...kinda like the car you drive..

Mark this post...

There will be made in China carbon frames sold at Wal-Mart in 3-5 years...

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Thanks for the info, but regardless if that frame was made in Taiwan or China, it held up pretty well when it crashed into the gaurdrail and launched ten feet into the air and came crashing down, ISP and all. I'm pretty sure that's the same bike he finished the stage with, but can anyone verify that?


I recall the team car handing Kessler a new bike. Still the TV coverage of the crash seem to show a healthy bike being launched into the bushes - I didn't see the frame break.

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Mr.Gib wrote:
Thanks for the info, but regardless if that frame was made in Taiwan or China, it held up pretty well when it crashed into the gaurdrail and launched ten feet into the air and came crashing down, ISP and all. I'm pretty sure that's the same bike he finished the stage with, but can anyone verify that?


I recall the team car handing Kessler a new bike. Still the TV coverage of the crash seem to show a healthy bike being launched into the bushes - I didn't see the frame break.


Well, I thought I saw Kessler finish the race with his handlebar tape all jacked up and hanging. Anyone have a photo of him riding after the accident?
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