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Right if you all want to talk parenting feel free to start a new thread. Let's keep this on track. Any further off topic posts will just be removed
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re team Quickstep, they have always won a lot of races. My impression is that to field a Tour winning squad, you have to invest a lot of money in people who don't win a lot of races ie really good climbers or TT riders but not the very best. When the climbing stages whittle down to 8-10 people, only the very best/deepest teams will have more than guy in it. Will Lefevere be able to handle spending big $ and not getting wins regularly?
GTs aren't won only in the highest mountains. take those windy rolling stages, where you can "easily" put a minute or two on your rivals provided you've got a proper horsepower at your disposal. arguably in most of these situations we've witnessed, it was impossible to make most of it, as big teams focus on climber-domestiques, and riders they have for pulling on flats, are nowhere near the names Remco can count on. IMHO QS can outgun others by a country mile if an opportunity presents itself.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:53 pmre team Quickstep, they have always won a lot of races. My impression is that to field a Tour winning squad, you have to invest a lot of money in people who don't win a lot of races ie really good climbers or TT riders but not the very best. When the climbing stages whittle down to 8-10 people, only the very best/deepest teams will have more than guy in it. Will Lefevere be able to handle spending big $ and not getting wins regularly?
also, remember how Sky used to burn some of the best riders on the planet for their leaders? if Kwiato at his prime could sacrifice himself, so can e.g. Alaphilippe. of course the question remains if it even makes sense for Remco to do the Tour so early. but if they chose to, QS already has more than a decent squad. where they lack in climbing, they make up in sheer strenght and experience, something money can't buy that easily.
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Its not like they need to replace the whole squad. If they focus on one GT a year, 2-3 strong additional climbers might be enough to field a competitive team. Jumbo or Ineos target GC's all year round and therefore they'll have a different team structure.
He just won a GT with about 50km of time trial that netted him close to 2 minutes on his rivals. If the 2023 TdF has 50km+ of TT (similar to 2022), why wouldn't he go for it?
I don't think Ineos/Sky EVER got bossed by Quickstep in the cross winds in a tour stage. To the extent it ever happened to Jumbo, it's because Roglic was sleeping in the bunch too far back. When you look at this year's tour, look at the two times Vingegaard took time out of Pogacar - once with Roglic one-timing him, and another when WVA drilled it so hard that Pogacar cracked. Evenpoel is really good, but I don't see him cracking those two guys in a climb. GC Teams need at least 2 really good climbers to support the leader since it's inevitable that one of them will have an off day at some point. Look at UAE, they've got 3 guys that, on their day, can stay with the leader late into a stage. Those guys don't win a ton of races, and I doubt they come cheap.tymon_tm wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:01 pmGTs aren't won only in the highest mountains. take those windy rolling stages, where you can "easily" put a minute or two on your rivals provided you've got a proper horsepower at your disposal. arguably in most of these situations we've witnessed, it was impossible to make most of it, as big teams focus on climber-domestiques, and riders they have for pulling on flats, are nowhere near the names Remco can count on. IMHO QS can outgun others by a country mile if an opportunity presents itself.spud wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:53 pmre team Quickstep, they have always won a lot of races. My impression is that to field a Tour winning squad, you have to invest a lot of money in people who don't win a lot of races ie really good climbers or TT riders but not the very best. When the climbing stages whittle down to 8-10 people, only the very best/deepest teams will have more than guy in it. Will Lefevere be able to handle spending big $ and not getting wins regularly?
also, remember how Sky used to burn some of the best riders on the planet for their leaders? if Kwiato at his prime could sacrifice himself, so can e.g. Alaphilippe. of course the question remains if it even makes sense for Remco to do the Tour so early. but if they chose to, QS already has more than a decent squad. where they lack in climbing, they make up in sheer strenght and experience, something money can't buy that easily.
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Remco will get crushed by Pog, healthy Rog, and JV at the TdF.
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Because he'll be up against better TTers who are also better climbers with better teams than he faced in Spain and he won't win? I think the guy is brilliant but it's probably a better idea for him to do Giro/Vuelta than TdF at this stage.
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Roglic wont win a grand tour againLedZeppelin007 wrote:Remco will get crushed by Pog, healthy Rog, and JV at the TdF.
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Why not? he could have won this years Vuelta and he is very good on the v steep climbs we usually see in the Vuelta, he is only 32 but sure he wont win the TdFrobbosmans wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 pmRoglic wont win a grand tour againLedZeppelin007 wrote:Remco will get crushed by Pog, healthy Rog, and JV at the TdF.
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OK...Why did Cav whore himself out with the usual LA suspects?
Maybe LA was kind to him years ago...so that justifies sullying his rep?
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because of Hincapie. That crew probably knows about more than a few of Cavs skeletons.
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