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ryanw wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:03 pm
I'm building up some 6.7s on Tactic TR-01 hubs.

6.7 rims are 83g give or take light that 5.6, and my 5.6s came in at 1,399g.

1,325g ish for some 60/67mm deep wheels will be good!
only good ? :beerchug:
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ryanw wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:03 pm
I'm building up some 6.7s on Tactic TR-01 hubs.

6.7 rims are 83g give or take lighter than 5.6, and my 5.6s came in at 1,399g.

1,325g ish for some 60/67mm deep wheels will be good!

I think that might be my christmas present to myself later in the year!

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by FlatlandClimber

yingyu wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 3:40 pm
aeroisnteverything wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 3:14 pm
The 6.7 will look the business. On the other hand, Enve's own testing (charts posted on cyclingtips article) seems to say that the aero performance is nigh on identical with 4.5 - it looks like abour 3/4 of a watt at 48kph and a negligible fraction of a watt at more realistic road speeds. I'd probably go with 4.5 for stability because that difference is just way too small.

Charts are also interesitng in that htey shows DT Swiss 62 at the same performance, while Bontrager is somehow quite a bit off. And the unfortunate (deliberate?) omission are the Roval Rapides.
From https://cyclingtips.com/2022/05/enve-ov ... -are-gone/ it seems Zipp 454 doesn't like wide tires, or maybe doesn't like Enve tires :lol:
I wonder which 454 these really are. The Bontrager are the XXX, not the RSL, the Roval are the CLX 50, not the Rapide.
Also it says 354 and 859... I don't really trust that chart so much.
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by Ride4Life

ryanw wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:03 pm
I'm building up some 6.7s on Tactic TR-01 hubs.

6.7 rims are 83g give or take lighter than 5.6, and my 5.6s came in at 1,399g.

1,325g ish for some 60/67mm deep wheels will be good!
Yeah that would be insane....especially if they test well and have improved stability.
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by pmprego

FlatlandClimber wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:28 pm
yingyu wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 3:40 pm
aeroisnteverything wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 3:14 pm
The 6.7 will look the business. On the other hand, Enve's own testing (charts posted on cyclingtips article) seems to say that the aero performance is nigh on identical with 4.5 - it looks like abour 3/4 of a watt at 48kph and a negligible fraction of a watt at more realistic road speeds. I'd probably go with 4.5 for stability because that difference is just way too small.

Charts are also interesitng in that htey shows DT Swiss 62 at the same performance, while Bontrager is somehow quite a bit off. And the unfortunate (deliberate?) omission are the Roval Rapides.
From https://cyclingtips.com/2022/05/enve-ov ... -are-gone/ it seems Zipp 454 doesn't like wide tires, or maybe doesn't like Enve tires :lol:
I wonder which 454 these really are. The Bontrager are the XXX, not the RSL, the Roval are the CLX 50, not the Rapide.
Also it says 354 and 859... I don't really trust that chart so much.
It's really comparing oranges to apples. Makes no sense.

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by aeroisnteverything

ryanw wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:03 pm
I'm building up some 6.7s on Tactic TR-01 hubs.

6.7 rims are 83g give or take lighter than 5.6, and my 5.6s came in at 1,399g.

1,325g ish for some 60/67mm deep wheels will be good!
Impressive. I guess that just shows how suboptimal their hub choice is. With DT Swiss 180, the 6.7 would still be sub 1,400g, which would be class-leading.


rollinslow
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by rollinslow

I read the Enve email and looked at the order options and is this just a weight reduction? Usually there is at least some marketing to say this and that is better. In the surface it just looks like a higher price for the same thing except a little lighter. Oh and I didn't see any rim brake wheels. Probably would hurt their profit margin too much since I suspect they manufacture a 4.5 hookless for a fraction of the cost or expertise.

I thought they were actually going to release something interesting etc
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by cajer

pmprego wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:35 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:28 pm
yingyu wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 3:40 pm
aeroisnteverything wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 3:14 pm
The 6.7 will look the business. On the other hand, Enve's own testing (charts posted on cyclingtips article) seems to say that the aero performance is nigh on identical with 4.5 - it looks like abour 3/4 of a watt at 48kph and a negligible fraction of a watt at more realistic road speeds. I'd probably go with 4.5 for stability because that difference is just way too small.

Charts are also interesitng in that htey shows DT Swiss 62 at the same performance, while Bontrager is somehow quite a bit off. And the unfortunate (deliberate?) omission are the Roval Rapides.
From https://cyclingtips.com/2022/05/enve-ov ... -are-gone/ it seems Zipp 454 doesn't like wide tires, or maybe doesn't like Enve tires :lol:
I wonder which 454 these really are. The Bontrager are the XXX, not the RSL, the Roval are the CLX 50, not the Rapide.
Also it says 354 and 859... I don't really trust that chart so much.
It's really comparing oranges to apples. Makes no sense.
Another way the testing is super suspicious, is the DT 62mm wheels yaw plots on their website show it being significantly faster than everything else out to 15 degrees. Yet their average plot shows it being slower than the 6.7 and 7.8....

I can maybe understand not testing with the RSL as it's about a year old if they did testing a while back, but not testing the rapides, clx 64 (using clx50 instead), and knot 64 makes me think they either omitted them as they were faster or were afraid and just didn't test them.

I have a feeling that many of the wheels were significantly slower than the enves in the testing because they tested with a 27mm tire I know the xxx 6 definitely isn't designed to be used with one

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by TobinHatesYou

Underwhelmed personally, and I'm an ENVE fan for the most part. These would be awesome if they weren't hookless.

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by polpy

am i correct with thinking, that there is no difference between the old 3.4 ar and the new 3.4 ? Both are hookless, 25mm internal / 32 external and the weight also seems pretty identical. is this also true for 4.5 ar and new 4.5?

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by petromyzon

I looked up the weight differences. 3.4 have lost ~15g per rim, 4.5 nearly 30g.
I like what they have done in terms of simplifying the range. I suppose the biggest shift is that the AR were presented as an alternative option last time, whereas now the 25mm inner width rims are the middle ground standard.
More of a mould update than a new range tbh. Still out of my price range!

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by CustomMetal

ryanw wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 4:03 pm
I'm building up some 6.7s on Tactic TR-01 hubs.

6.7 rims are 83g give or take lighter than 5.6, and my 5.6s came in at 1,399g.

1,325g ish for some 60/67mm deep wheels will be good!
That will be a pretty halo/quiver killer wheel
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by smokeythedog18

Comparing across new tubeless hookless wheels, I'm sure this new SES line performs great. The weight numbers are pretty impressive, but not out of this world.

That being said, all of their aero testing is completely skewed and bogus. They tested their 27mm tires on all of their competitor's wheels. The Roval CLX and I'm assuming DT Swiss Dicut ARC were optimized for 25mm tires so there's a big difference there if they aren't tested with 27mm tires. The Zipp 454/353 are slower than the 404/303 Firecrest line so it's obvious why they were omitted from the test.

The Roval Rapide CLX were omitted as well. I don't think the Rapide would have tested as well being 35mm wide up front, but it'd be nice to see the numbers. The 4.5 looks to be the steal of this being so close to the 6.7s while maintaining lightness and stability.

The testing was stacked by Enve and to be fair, everyone does it. I think the biggest shock is that they went hookless AND the price jumped up by $300. Say what you want about Zipp, but the Firecrest line became cheaper when they went hookless.

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TLN
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by TLN

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu May 26, 2022 6:03 pm
Underwhelmed personally, and I'm an ENVE fan for the most part. These would be awesome if they weren't hookless.
I got 3Ts that are copycat from 4.5AR, but hooked. Will be happy to trade em for 6.7 Enves.

I got two questions tho:
1. How many people run such premium sets as everyday wheels? I'd expect wheelset with hefty tag and warranty to be able to withstand some beating.
2. 6.7 vs Bontrager RSL 67 if money is no object?
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