2022 New Frame Rumours

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.

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by TobinHatesYou

There are a few "relaxed race" type bikes like the Caledonia.

Here are some roughly "56cm" bikes.
Cervelo S-Series/R-Series: 580mm stack, 387mm reach
Colnago C64 Sloping: 583mm stack, 385mm reach
Pinarello Prince: 586mm stack, 388mm reach
Time Alpe d'Huez: 581mm stack, 392mm reach
Open Min.D: 585mm stack, 385mm reach
Parlee Altum: 587mm stack, 381mm reach

et cetera

A traditional 56cm race frame typically has 560-565mm stack and 388-393mm reach...or thereabouts.

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wheelsONfire wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:36 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
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wheelsONfire wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:17 pm
RDY wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:53 pm
Venge was a more complex mould and layup, therefore higher cost. They sell all of what they produce, they probably won't bring back an aero road frame until they need to drive sales - and then I'm not sure it'll exactly be a priority. It's a rapidly diminishing sector of the market.
How can it be, according to Spesh aero is all, so they should eat their BS claims. Hypoctites is what they are....
They gave the people what the wanted. In 98% of cases a Customer will ever face, aero is King.
Most people don't know much when it comes to bikes (playing nice here) and trust blindly what they're told.
If aero is King and that is what Spesh try to tell all and everybody, they should keep to that market.
In cycling King is what the industry tells you, sadly they have got away with that.

There's a bike missing, it's a bike that has a more friendly geometry but rides more like a race bike.
But few people are so unaware of what this would be, so there is no-one asking for this.
Which again tells, most don't know more than what they're told/ informed of.
Agree 3000. wOf has got it :up:
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by TobinHatesYou

Ultimately I don't see too much of a point. Some of the Italian brands already seem to be offering relaxed fit race bikes (hey, they know their target market after all.) Most brands specify that 4cm in spacers is safe. You can also just flip your stem. Meanwhile Trek dropped the H1/H2 dichotomy, again because angled stems exist.

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by kar

I wonder from where did this madness to follow science come to road cycling at non-pro level? I follow science to the extent where it makes sense to my riding. Beyond that I couldn't care less.

I bet 90% of the people 90% time do not follow science in their lives. They dont follow science in their diet. They dont follow science in Hygiene. But when it comes to roadbike shopping: SCIENCE

There is a new research, came in just few weeks ago, that tells what is the best time to drink coffee! Will you listen to this science? I will not. I will drink coffee when I want.

And then we have doctors smoking and binge drinking not following their own science, environmental scientists hogging on meat. The list goes on and on for everything. And we never buy the most scientifically efficient things. But when it comes to road cycling: SCIENCE. duh! AERO. duh! My god, this is so ridiculous.

It does not mean I am saying we should run knobbies on our super roadbikes. Science should be followed. But for non-pro, amateur or recreational riders who are not aero in total system (rider & bike, WheelsOnFire listed everything), may be common-sense should also be used together with science.

Also I am not saying folks should not buy the most aero bike or whatever. Just that it will be better for them if they know what they want.

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by TobinHatesYou

Common sense is a non-racer buying an endurance bike or a quiver killer. It arguably isn’t buying a “relaxed fit race bike” that, while more appropriate for a lack of back/core strength and hip flexibility, won’t most likely will never see the start of a race.

kar
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by kar

Exactly. Completely agree with you.
On the other hand,
At club level TT races or even in some Ironman events, some riders just put aero bars on their roadbike as it may not make sense to buy TT bike if they are not very serious or cannot afford.

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by mgrl

kar wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:59 am
There is a new research, came in just few weeks ago, that tells what is the best time to drink coffee! Will you listen to this science? I will not. I will drink coffee when I want.
It's a bit different (ignoring that most research like that that gets in the papers is just clickbait nonsense) because changing your lifestyle, especially your diet, is a lot more involved and has less easy to measure benefit than buying a set of good deep section wheels, for example.

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by pmprego

I like where this is going. This has the potential to replace the new dura ace thread.

kar
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by kar

Yeah. I am not questioning the aero benefits. It is definitely there.

Gain, Benefit and improvements, these three terms are very effectively used.

I did 100km ride yesterday and I just left home, totally enjoyed the ride and came back. I do it twice or thrice a week (new bike :D ).

It was quite windy, but still enjoyed a lot (tailwinds on the way back :) ) and did not think too much on my non aero bike.

May be its just me, I do not see riding bike as a problem. To me it is a solution to other life problems (not big problems though). So I do not try to maximize gain or benefit in already a nice solution.

Please continue the orginal topic and ignore my posts. I did not mean to deraill it. May be I will stay out :)

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by spartan

a lot of nonsense propagated by the custom frames zealots. the incovenient facts a typical road geometry used by the majority of bike brands will work for 90% of the buyers. it is 2021 NOT 1995. you can use positive rise stem and a multiture of bars with 70/75/80/93(trek)/100mm of reach. the positive rise stem is not aesthetically pleasing but it will get you to the stack you want. btw high stack does not always aleviate back pain. sometimes you need to lower the stem.
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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:26 am
Ultimately I don't see too much of a point. Some of the Italian brands already seem to be offering relaxed fit race bikes (hey, they know their target market after all.) Most brands specify that 4cm in spacers is safe. You can also just flip your stem. Meanwhile Trek dropped the H1/H2 dichotomy, again because angled stems exist.
Trek stopped with different geometries because it was expensive. But it sounds good to say it's not needed.
But sure, it's up to each to believe what they wish to believe.
BTW, what Italian brands are those?
You ask for example Legend (bikes) how many hundred bikes they built for team riders when it was OK.
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spartan wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:15 pm
a lot of nonsense propagated by the custom frames zealots. the incovenient facts a typical road geometry used by the majority of bike brands will work for 90% of the buyers. it is 2021 NOT 1995. you can use positive rise stem and a multiture of bars with 70/75/80/93(trek)/100mm of reach. the positive rise stem is not aesthetically pleasing but it will get you to the stack you want. btw high stack does not always aleviate back pain. sometimes you need to lower the stem.
Hehe, yeah, that's why you see so many setups that's far from optimal. Just because you can fit yourself to a bike doesn't translate to optimized.
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by spartan

true story. a couple years ago, i met a guy at a lbs . he was getting a new frame built up with the latest dura-ace. it was a 'custom' serotta ti. when i made a remark about the spacer stack on his 'custom' geo. his response "i have a back issue and prefer the higher bar position". LOL
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by Midstar

spartan wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:37 pm
true story. a couple years ago, i met a guy at a lbs . he was getting a new frame built up with the latest dura-ace. it was a 'custom' serotta ti. when i made a remark about the spacer stack on his 'custom' geo. his response "i have a back issue and prefer the higher bar position". LOL
If its work for him, whats the problem?

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