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OnTheRivet
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by OnTheRivet

So from all the reading I've been doing the vaccines don't stop the virus they just mitigate the symptoms in "most" individuals. For countries like New Zealand and Australia with laggging vaccine rates they are potentially a time bomb as with very few infections they have almost ZERO herd immunity. Even with vaccines the virus needs to move through the population and mutate typically getting easier to catch but weaker, without this happening who knows. And to anybody that shamed someone for not wearing a mask or staying inside, karma is a bitch.

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by petromyzon

You're wrong. Australia has stayed under 1000 deaths BECAUSE they shut everything down (and geographical isolation that allowed them to see the mistakes others were making).
I work in a hospital with 1000 beds which is meant to look after a full range of issues. At one point well over half of the inpatients had one single boring problem: COVID.
You are right to worry about CVD risk and it's very sensible to keep riding solo if that's the way you get your exercise.
But if you are overweight and over 40 don't *f##k* with COVID. I've looked after many young mothers and fathers who died alone on our ICU, far from their families, in multi-organ failure, with the indignity of daily invasive procedures, being flipped over like pieces of meat and lying in pools of their own secretions.
Many of these patients were younger than me and thought of themselves as healthy.

Vaccination is looking like a solid hope for now but there is every probability that the virus will mutate and cause us further issues. Stay safe!
synchronicity wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:45 am

Of course everyone took it very seriously in the beginning (me included).
And we've been lucky. There have only been 29,382 cases so far in the whole country.
Most of those have already recovered & there appear to be 2144 active cases.
So we're doing better than countries like Japan, Korea and Singapore. :thumbup:


So far 909 people have died through contracting COVID-19 in Australia. :?
But to put this into perspective, the Australian road toll last year in 2020 was 1106.
Cardiovascular disease (CVD) was the underlying cause of death in 41,800 deaths in 2018.

Our economies are suffering and so is our mental health. We don't shut down everything for the 1106 road deaths, do we?

And quite frankly I take that much more seriously, having a heart attack, than losing my sense of taste and smell temporarily.

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by ohjinguh9

OnTheRivet wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:00 pm
So from all the reading I've been doing the vaccines don't stop the virus they just mitigate the symptoms in "most" individuals.
untrue. recent data demonstrates 90% reduction in risk of infection for mRNA vaccines (pfizer, moderna), and of those who developed a covid infection post-vax, asymptomatic infection was only 10.7% in the study of healthcare workers.
for the unvax'd population, asymptomatic infections, not PREsymptomatic infections, occur anywhere from 30% of the time (south korean figures) to 40% of the time (NIH numbers).

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by sychen

Synchronicity.. I understand how you can feel that.. But our geographic distance, isolation and lack of population density have given a false sense of security. It takes a herd mentality of doing the right things Ike masks, social distancing and shut downs to keep the numbers down to 900 odd deaths.. Once everyone is like you and say *f##k* it.. Then the numbers rise.. And they rise very quickly as seen elsewhere. What number of additional deaths would you be comfortable with?

I've been in dinners out in the city and I still wear masks even though technically our city is covid free. That security guard you just engaged could of easily been working at a Qhotel and starting to be infectious but not feeling sick. One may say minor symptoms and effects but immunocompromised and elderly people are the ones you are protecting with all the preventive measures.

There has been almost no exercise restrictions for cyclists at all here in Sydney throughout covid (except for localized lockdown) and until my accident had more riding in than ever. Most clubs keep running group rides except for last year at the start.

Until we all get vaccinated..it takes all of us to do the right things to get all of us across the line. It's a team time trial.



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by dereksmalls

I'm in New Zealand, we can ride freely, but during our lockdown, we were able to ride solo outside, but no further than 5-10km from your home. You couldn't jump in the car and head to the hills etc, only a few people did and got caught by police from memory.

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petromyzon wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:39 pm
You're wrong. Australia has stayed under 1000 deaths BECAUSE they shut everything down (and geographical isolation that allowed them to see the mistakes others were making).
True, yes, I do realise that. And I will get vaccinated. Just sharing my opinions/frustration.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anything by the way. Some people believe the whole thing is one great big government conspiracy/hoax. :roll:

But I don't think Australia is acting fast enough with vaccinations. Now they are even talking about still not having everyone here vaccinated by OCTOBER!
Why does it take until after OCTOBER to vaccinate everyone??!!! Ridiculous! :o
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by sychen

synchronicity wrote:
petromyzon wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:39 pm
You're wrong. Australia has stayed under 1000 deaths BECAUSE they shut everything down (and geographical isolation that allowed them to see the mistakes others were making).
True, yes, I do realise that. And I will get vaccinated. Just sharing my opinions/frustration.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer or anything by the way. Some people believe the whole thing is one great big government conspiracy/hoax. :roll:

But I don't think Australia is acting fast enough with vaccinations. Now they are even talking about still not having everyone here vaccinated by OCTOBER!
Why does it take until after OCTOBER to vaccinate everyone??!!! Ridiculous! :o
Supply Supply Supply..

We bet on Astrazeneca to be made locally and that now has clotting issues for 1 in 100000..

Now gov expanded Phizer doses to compensate.. Arriving in the last quarter unless commandeered by other nations (thanks Italy).

Truth is we are NOT at need as much due to how well we are doing without vaccines.. Eu/uk/us are hogging all the supply due to need wiht thousands dying every day. Honestly I have no issues with it.



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by iheartbianchi

petromyzon wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:39 pm

But if you are overweight and over 40 don't *f##k* with COVID. I've looked after many young mothers and fathers who died alone on our ICU, far from their families, in multi-organ failure, with the indignity of daily invasive procedures, being flipped over like pieces of meat and lying in pools of their own secretions.
I'm sorry but could you clarify? If there have "only" been less than a thousand COVID deaths in Australia, and the vast majority of them over the age of 60 with pre-existing conditions, how could you have seen many "young, healthy" adults die in your ICU?
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I don't think he resides in Australia but elsewhere.
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by petromyzon

Correct, I'm in the UK.
Young and healthy are relative terms. The first person I intubated with COVID was 34yo, mild asthma, 10kg overweight I'd say. Survived, but I will remember the fear that night for the rest of my career. A more typical profile was 50yo, father of kids, active job, overweight 20kg but never had never yet needed to see a doctor for anything of consequence. Probably not a picture of perfect health if you come from an athletic or medical background but for the average man on the street would count as "fit and well".

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by petromyzon

I also quite like my food and wine but know two people who have permanently lost their sense of taste (despite being otherwise completely well). These kind of "long COVID" symptoms such as palpitations, chronic fatigue etc. are kind of crappy if you think about it.
Point being, I guess a lot of people on here are very low risk for the kind of ICU admission I describe. But if you are in the social and financial position to do it limiting your contacts until you have had the jab seems like a pretty sensible balance of risk/benefit. 100% I would continue to do non-contact exercise outside.

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MoPho wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:26 pm
synchronicity wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:45 am
We don't shut down everything for the 1106 road deaths, do we?
Road deaths are not contagious.
I suppose that's true, yes. :oops:

Anyway, one of the risk factors for COVID-19 is cardiovascular disease. :smartass:
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by Miller

Here in the UK covid has made for a very strange year and counting. UK govt didn't handle covid at all well in many ways but somehow we got lucky with the vaccine rollout (I'm putting that down to UK still having a strong science base, not because of an outbreak of govt competence, but whatever.) Weirdly, cycling got massive. Especially last spring in the first lockdown you could hardly move for people wobbling along on ancient bikes hauled out of their shed. There's still a bit of that. Organised events fell away although there was something of a season in late summer. I'm used to cycling on my own anyway so had by a small margin my most annual cycling ever.

Now most over-50s have been vaccinated, I had a first A-Z a month ago (and felt sh!t for a day). Lockdown is easing with shops re-opening this Monday. Organised cycling has restarted, events and clubruns, so I actually did a little gravel sportive last Sunday. My club runs weekly time-trials. At this time of year I'd expect 10-20 riders in those. First event last Tuesday had 30 and we're looking at 40 for this coming Tuesday. People want to launch back into normality.

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by TobinHatesYou

No major side-effects for me with the first shot of Pfizer. Just a bit of soreness at the injection site. Seems like very few people experience side-effects with the second dose either. Moderna on the other hand, hits some people like a sack of bricks.

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
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No major side-effects for me with the first shot of Pfizer. Just a bit of soreness at the injection site. Seems like very few people experience side-effects with the second dose either. Moderna on the other hand, hits some people like a sack of bricks.
I've had both doses of moderna. First one was pretty easy but had a very sore arm. Second one I actually felt fine most of the day then the night came and I had some significant aches and chills. Day after I was fine aside from being tired from not sleeping hardly at all.

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