Glueing tubulars [the tubular thread]
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Good advice, thanks! I'd tried it previously with disposable nitrile gloves, but the problem with that is that the gloves quickly acquire a layer of blobby glue..
The last time I did it I used a brush moderately successfully, but you have to work quickly and confidently.
The last time I did it I used a brush moderately successfully, but you have to work quickly and confidently.

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I use wooden ice cream sticks to apply the glue and protect my precious fingers.


That's a great idea with the ice cream sticks
On my first glue job I applied the Vittoria Mastik a bit sparingly (was a new rim). I decided to take off the tire and reglue it with another 2 or 3 layers but it seems the tire holds very good to the rim, especially in the middle. I almost cant get it off at all. There are only a few areas were i can brake the glue with my thumbs at the shoulders of the rim. Is it okay if i just add glue at these areas and then pump it up and let it sit/bond? Or is it advisable to remove the whole tire? I just thought if I take it off and reglue it this won't change much compared to filling up the few areas with a bit more glue and i might rip off the basetape which would be a shame (almost new veloflex tubs). The filled in glue should soften up the already applied and dried glue?

On my first glue job I applied the Vittoria Mastik a bit sparingly (was a new rim). I decided to take off the tire and reglue it with another 2 or 3 layers but it seems the tire holds very good to the rim, especially in the middle. I almost cant get it off at all. There are only a few areas were i can brake the glue with my thumbs at the shoulders of the rim. Is it okay if i just add glue at these areas and then pump it up and let it sit/bond? Or is it advisable to remove the whole tire? I just thought if I take it off and reglue it this won't change much compared to filling up the few areas with a bit more glue and i might rip off the basetape which would be a shame (almost new veloflex tubs). The filled in glue should soften up the already applied and dried glue?
Yes, this can be done, but if you have "alot" of separation it is probably better to start over. If you are going to try to close some gaps, apply some to the rim and base tape separately and allow them to dry apart a bit before inflating. A small applicator like a small screwdriver blade may work to apply the glue to each part.
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Cant comment on the carogna but the Schwalbe glue remover is excellent.uncle-gee wrote:Looking for feedback using carogna remover to clean rim having mastik pro glue on it?
It still took a lot of work as I find the Mastic pro a lot harder to remove than the Mastic one.
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100% agree with your comments, especially the marmite bit, my mum still sends it over to me in OZ.neeb wrote:The problem I always have when trying to put down several, very thin layers is the glue being too viscous. It doesn't seem to want to spread thinly, and it's the most difficult stuff to work with - it behaves like Marmite, leaving strings all over the place, if you know that particular UK delicacy..And if you miss a bit and try to go back, it's already become too tacky to spread smoothly.. I use mastik one.
That said, I think I get better at it every time I do it. However, it always seems to be a slightly stressful experience, I would like it to become satisfyingly zen-like.

Lacking the confidence makes me so nervous, I tend to rush and it all goes horribly wrong.
Mastic pro is so much easier to work with, but to be honest I'm still a tape guy.
When my glued tyres puncture I just tape and ride. Soooooo easy.
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I find mastik pro so easy to remove off the rim - I literally just pick on it with my nails or rub it off the rims. It will be impossible to remove it off a tire without these chemical removers however. I recently reused tires with mastik pro on them and just applied a new layer on them, all good.
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Yes, my bad, got it the wrong way around. As you say Mastic pro you can roll off just by rubbing your thumb around the rim. That does concern me though on how strong the hold actually is.Kayrehn wrote:I find mastik pro so easy to remove off the rim - I literally just pick on it with my nails or rub it off the rims. It will be impossible to remove it off a tire without these chemical removers however. I recently reused tires with mastik pro on them and just applied a new layer on them, all good.
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I have also tried removing the pro glue off a tyre with no luck at all. The pro glue on a tyre leaves are very shiny smooth layer. Didn't think another layer would help.
Now knowing they can be re glued helps a little as I'm more likely to tape them.
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Dudes,.i.had been using tubulars for 4 years until I was tired of all the ritual involved on them. Then I switched to clincher wheels and everything was smooth...buuuut humans are humans and I was missing the chance of riding ultralight wheelsets so I have switched back to tubulars.
Last week I bought an Obermayer set and I'm receiving tomorrow morning a new pair of Conti Competition tubulars. So in less than 24h my almost sure nightmare will begin. What I'm planning to do:
1. Use a bit of sandpaper to the new rim
2. Mount the tubular to the rim for 24/48h (I wish I can let them stretch longer but I need to ride on Thursday)
3. Then I'll add a thin layer of glue (im using continental for carbon rims) to both the rim and the tubular and Let both cure for 12/24h.
4. Add an extra layer to the tire and mount it
My doubts:
1. What do you think is better? Add the last layer to the tire or to the rim (continental manual tells me to add it to the tire)
2. When u talk about the "water trick"
What are you referring exactly? Add some water to the tire before mounting it, even it has the fresh glue?
3. Would I need to hire a wrestler to fit the continental to the rim?
Thanks buddies, and excuse my English!!!
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Last week I bought an Obermayer set and I'm receiving tomorrow morning a new pair of Conti Competition tubulars. So in less than 24h my almost sure nightmare will begin. What I'm planning to do:
1. Use a bit of sandpaper to the new rim
2. Mount the tubular to the rim for 24/48h (I wish I can let them stretch longer but I need to ride on Thursday)
3. Then I'll add a thin layer of glue (im using continental for carbon rims) to both the rim and the tubular and Let both cure for 12/24h.
4. Add an extra layer to the tire and mount it
My doubts:
1. What do you think is better? Add the last layer to the tire or to the rim (continental manual tells me to add it to the tire)
2. When u talk about the "water trick"
What are you referring exactly? Add some water to the tire before mounting it, even it has the fresh glue?
3. Would I need to hire a wrestler to fit the continental to the rim?
Thanks buddies, and excuse my English!!!
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It's too late but one of the reasons to use Vittoria or Veloflex is that you don't need to Pre stretch. Also, I do all my gluing steps in the span of 30 minutes, not over several days. A brand new rim add maybe an hour.
Brand new rims:
Scuff with sand paper
Clean with alcohol
Thin layer of glue on rim, let cure for 15 minutes.
A layer of glue on tires (cure for 10 min)
Another thing layer of glue on rim (sometimes I skip this step)
Apply tire
I don't remove old glue for used rims and mostly just one layer on each, sit for 10 minutes and mount. It becomes a lot less like a chore when you cut it down to this few steps.
With a Conti tire just stretch the life out of it as you go around the rim. Good luck.
Brand new rims:
Scuff with sand paper
Clean with alcohol
Thin layer of glue on rim, let cure for 15 minutes.
A layer of glue on tires (cure for 10 min)
Another thing layer of glue on rim (sometimes I skip this step)
Apply tire
I don't remove old glue for used rims and mostly just one layer on each, sit for 10 minutes and mount. It becomes a lot less like a chore when you cut it down to this few steps.
With a Conti tire just stretch the life out of it as you go around the rim. Good luck.
Wooow....this makes a huge difference. If I can reduce the whole process from 3 days to almost 1h I won't even think on using tape instead of glue.RyanH wrote:It's too late but one of the reasons to use Vittoria or Veloflex is that you don't need to Pre stretch. Also, I do all my gluing steps in the span of 30 minutes, not over several days. A brand new rim add maybe an hour.
Brand new rims:
Scuff with sand paper
Clean with alcohol
Thin layer of glue on rim, let cure for 15 minutes.
A layer of glue on tires (cure for 10 min)
Another thing layer of glue on rim (sometimes I skip this step)
Apply tire
I don't remove old glue for used rims and mostly just one layer on each, sit for 10 minutes and mount. It becomes a lot less like a chore when you cut it down to this few steps.
With a Conti tire just stretch the life out of it as you go around the rim. Good luck.
Continental instructions says to apply 1 layer on the rim, another on the tire, wait 24h and then an extra on the tire and then mount the tubular. But I think I will try the express method, I have been riding tubulars for years and I had never the feeling of being dangerously loose to unmount. Rather the opposite, when I had flats, removing the tubular was almost an impossible mission...
P.s. Any hint about the "water" trick? What is this about?
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If you do that first time, do not take shortcuts. Do that by the book.Glueing tubs on rims with the old glue (assuming it is ok) is slightly different thing.
No, no...it's not the first time I was doing it some years ago using continental pro. But it's the first time I'll be fighting against a conti Competition...1415chris wrote:If you do that first time, do not take shortcuts. Do that by the book.Glueing tubs on rims with the old glue (assuming it is ok) is slightly different thing.
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