New Specialized Tarmac 2020

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Imaking20
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by Imaking20

LanceLegstrong wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:01 pm
The SL6 was my favorite bike. It was a combination of things that led me to sell it, and I kind of regret it a little. I had some close calls with cars and wanted to get into MTBs on off the roads for a bit, so I decided to sell it to appease my wife (S-1=2) and also finance the MTB. We were downsizing and didn't have the room for my collection. I kept the CX bike as a cross/gravel bike that could ride on the roads when I wanted and bought a MTB which I was riding more until the shelter-in-place orders. I still ride outsidee occasionally on the MTB, but also do a lot of trainer miles on the CX. I race CX and wasn't racing road, so that's mainly why I kept the CX bike, along with the versatility of wheelsets I could throw on. But, with all that said, I really miss the SL6 and have been thinking of picking up a new SL7 when they come out or maybe snag an SL6 on a great deal. And if I could find an SL6 Mixtape version, I don't I ever sell it again.
I've got both of those bikes in the garage!


And yep, my (acid mint) SL6 is the best bike I've ridden. Still, after building up the Hakka, I found a way to convince myself I should snag a new Venge because aero and integrated and blah blah blah. From the first ride, it was missing something compared to the Tarmac. I tried to make myself want it more but threw in the towel short of 200 miles. Just built the Tarmac back up and have a newfound appreciation for it.

Honestly, there are a lot of practical sacrifices that came with the total integration on the Venge. Reviews focus on the complexity of the build - which was relatively substantial on the Venge compared to Tarmac (cannot imagine building a Madone or Vias) - but they don't talk about the noise. As we (hopefully) know by now, the more stuff that's inside the bike - the more chance for rattles. On a di2 rim brake bike, no big deal, I'm happy to take something apart to track down and silence a rattle. Slightly less so on a disc bike like the Tarmac. The Venge? Holy mother f*ck. I couldn't help but laugh at how ridiculous it looked as I had stuff splayed all out over the living room floor so that I could fit the jigsaw puzzle together with JUST the right tension, distance, etc. No effing way I'm taking that thing apart to get rid of rattles (that are damn near impossible to avoid).

Tl;dr

Long live the SL6!
Stormy SL6
Hakka MX

Retired:
Acid Mint Tarmac|Boone|Wilier Wonka|The Dentist|The Bucket List|Evo|T2|Blue|Project C6.0|Felt AR FRD|Colnago C59|S-Works Tarmac SL4|S-Works Venge|Wilier Cento1 SL|Tarmac SL2

LanceLegstrong
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by LanceLegstrong

Imaking20 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:04 am
LanceLegstrong wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:01 pm
The SL6 was my favorite bike. It was a combination of things that led me to sell it, and I kind of regret it a little. I had some close calls with cars and wanted to get into MTBs on off the roads for a bit, so I decided to sell it to appease my wife (S-1=2) and also finance the MTB. We were downsizing and didn't have the room for my collection. I kept the CX bike as a cross/gravel bike that could ride on the roads when I wanted and bought a MTB which I was riding more until the shelter-in-place orders. I still ride outsidee occasionally on the MTB, but also do a lot of trainer miles on the CX. I race CX and wasn't racing road, so that's mainly why I kept the CX bike, along with the versatility of wheelsets I could throw on. But, with all that said, I really miss the SL6 and have been thinking of picking up a new SL7 when they come out or maybe snag an SL6 on a great deal. And if I could find an SL6 Mixtape version, I don't I ever sell it again.
I've got both of those bikes in the garage!


And yep, my (acid mint) SL6 is the best bike I've ridden. Still, after building up the Hakka, I found a way to convince myself I should snag a new Venge because aero and integrated and blah blah blah. From the first ride, it was missing something compared to the Tarmac. I tried to make myself want it more but threw in the towel short of 200 miles. Just built the Tarmac back up and have a newfound appreciation for it.

Honestly, there are a lot of practical sacrifices that came with the total integration on the Venge. Reviews focus on the complexity of the build - which was relatively substantial on the Venge compared to Tarmac (cannot imagine building a Madone or Vias) - but they don't talk about the noise. As we (hopefully) know by now, the more stuff that's inside the bike - the more chance for rattles. On a di2 rim brake bike, no big deal, I'm happy to take something apart to track down and silence a rattle. Slightly less so on a disc bike like the Tarmac. The Venge? Holy mother f*ck. I couldn't help but laugh at how ridiculous it looked as I had stuff splayed all out over the living room floor so that I could fit the jigsaw puzzle together with JUST the right tension, distance, etc. No effing way I'm taking that thing apart to get rid of rattles (that are damn near impossible to avoid).

Tl;dr

Long live the SL6!
It's funny. After writing that last post I got to thinking and was missing my SL6 so I decided to search around. I managed to find a Mixtape SL6 in a shop in CA for $3600+tax. It'd be around $3900 shipped, which isn't terrible. And I love that color. I'm really tempted to pick it up and build another one up. But at the same time I'm still kind of waiting for the SL7 to drop. Maybe get an even better deal on this SL6, who knows.

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Imaking20
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by Imaking20

I think I've seen the frame (for sale) you're talking about. I was also heavily tempted by Mixtape before buying the acid mint - but I've got no regrets!

I also paid quite a bit less than that. Not sure I'd drop that much coin on an SL6 or SL7 honestly (to be fair - probably wouldn't spend that much on any frame!)
Stormy SL6
Hakka MX

Retired:
Acid Mint Tarmac|Boone|Wilier Wonka|The Dentist|The Bucket List|Evo|T2|Blue|Project C6.0|Felt AR FRD|Colnago C59|S-Works Tarmac SL4|S-Works Venge|Wilier Cento1 SL|Tarmac SL2

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Noctiluxx
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sigma wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:55 pm
Noctiluxx wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:45 am
sigma wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:17 am
Karvalo wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:44 pm

Can you really call it a Pro Tour bike? The O2 VAM is their top tier frame and it's $5500 (inc seatpost, barstem and BB to be fair) which is fairly standard these days. $2700 for a good second tier frame is competitive against say a Cervelo R3 but not mindblowing.
The O2 has been ridden in plenty of pro tours and Spring classics. The VAM might be too light for the pros and does not allow any weight on the top tube (not that I do that). It's also stunningly light. If I were comparing to my SL6 dic, I would say the O2 is a good comparison. The VAM is something closer to the Canyon Evo - superlightweight specialist. Just my two cents but I have become a big fan of the brand begrudgingly - used to be an almost exlsuive Cervelo rider.
Here in So Cal, we have Santa Monica Giant who also sells Factor bikes. Got a chance to ride the VAM back to back againt a TCR SL 0, both in disk format. Honestly other than the VAM being slightly lighter, the TCR SL was just a better bike in every way. Even the owner who has fatter profit margins selling the Factor admitted it. But I will admit the VAM had an awesome paint job.
Very curious what specifically you liked on the TCR SL 0 - I have only ridden one Giant a few years back and didn't love it but I have been looking at their gravel rigs a bit and certainly open to trying one.
If you're looking for a gravel bike that rides like a hard core race bike with gravel tires the Revolt will dissapoint you. It's bascially a very cush endurance bike with long wheelbase, long chainstay, and a flexy seatpost to give you ultimate comfort which I prefer on long bumpy gravel rides.
2018 Bianchi Oltre XR4, (Celeste Matt)
2018 De Rosa SK Pininfarina (Blu)
2019 Trek Madone SLR (Rage Red)
2019 Giant TCR Advanced SL (Chameleon Blue)
2019 Cervelo R5 Disk (Team Sunweb)
2019 Giant Revolt Advanced 0

sigma
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by sigma

Noctiluxx wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:02 pm
sigma wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:55 pm
Noctiluxx wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:45 am
sigma wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:17 am


The O2 has been ridden in plenty of pro tours and Spring classics. The VAM might be too light for the pros and does not allow any weight on the top tube (not that I do that). It's also stunningly light. If I were comparing to my SL6 dic, I would say the O2 is a good comparison. The VAM is something closer to the Canyon Evo - superlightweight specialist. Just my two cents but I have become a big fan of the brand begrudgingly - used to be an almost exlsuive Cervelo rider.
Here in So Cal, we have Santa Monica Giant who also sells Factor bikes. Got a chance to ride the VAM back to back againt a TCR SL 0, both in disk format. Honestly other than the VAM being slightly lighter, the TCR SL was just a better bike in every way. Even the owner who has fatter profit margins selling the Factor admitted it. But I will admit the VAM had an awesome paint job.
Very curious what specifically you liked on the TCR SL 0 - I have only ridden one Giant a few years back and didn't love it but I have been looking at their gravel rigs a bit and certainly open to trying one.
If you're looking for a gravel bike that rides like a hard core race bike with gravel tires the Revolt will dissapoint you. It's bascially a very cush endurance bike with long wheelbase, long chainstay, and a flexy seatpost to give you ultimate comfort which I prefer on long bumpy gravel rides.
I am thinking about building up more of a racing rig for the Belgium Waffle (Utah) and Rebecca's Private Idaho type stuff, so probably as you say more of a racier build. I got to try the Cannondale Topstone carbon this past weekend which I thought was exceptional at handling the bumps etc...far better than my older Open UP with redshift stem. I hear Cannondale will be bringing it with the Ocho Fork which might be a very interesting bike when it arrives. If I were looking for more of cush ride, that's the route I think I will go (or an Open Wide).
S-works Tarmac SL6
S-Works Venge
Factor VAM 02 disc
Trek Domane 2016 SLR
Cervelo C5 2018
Open U.P. gravel 2016

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Cannondale SuperSix Evo Hi Mod 2016 (miss it very much)
Cervelo S3 2015
Cervelo R5 2012
Cervelo S2 2011

CXrider
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I found this on the Trainerroad forum
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Damn that's tidy. Nice paint as well.

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by Beancouter

Took me a while to spot the differences from the venge!


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by robeambro

It basically seems like a Venge that shrunk in the wash..

Darceking
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by Darceking

Thats one sweet looking bike.

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by Darceking

Is that a depth change in the rear wheel ?

Dannnnn
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by Dannnnn

Having just ordered a 2020 Tarmac, I kind of wish I could have waited and seen what comes out for 2021.

Although I'm not so sure I like the no cables approach, just looks odd.

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nonamed
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by nonamed

Need new Tarmac but RIM BRAKE PLEASEEEE


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Cemicar
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by Cemicar

I feel like the fork crown part is perhaps the biggest difference from Venge. It doesn't naturally fit into the headtube as an aero road that is allegedly going to obsolete Venge...

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by TobinHatesYou

nonamed wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 8:26 am
Need new Tarmac but RIM BRAKE PLEASEEEE
So the thing about the SL7 is integrated cabling...which clearly can't be done without proprietary/shitty brake systems. Just get an SL6.

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