*Tour Aero Bike Test 2019*

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308

So if there is anything I can take away from this. It's that my 2017 Fuji Transonic is still competitive with today's aerobikes. Cause I remember the 2016 aero results had the Transonic at 220 watts with the craptastic Oval wheels. And when set up with the control 404's that brought it down to ~210ish close to the foil etc. And that was a retail off the shelf bike with standard handle bars and miles of cable housing hanging out.

I reckon by my assumption that my Transonic with 50mm Primes+ decent bar (Aeronova LTD) + optimised cables (heatshrinking cables together where I can to reduce exposed cable area) would hypothetically be close to the 208-210 range

I didn't bother with a full integrated bar/stem for my Transonic because I am pretty sure you are ruining the aerodynamics of the bar/stem junction with an out front mounted computer anyway. So mounting my Aeronova to a standard stem made sense to me as the stem is already in dirty air disturbed by my bike computer.

TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Alastair2308 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:11 am
So if there is anything I can take away from this. It's that my 2017 Fuji Transonic is still competitive with today's aerobikes. Cause I remember the 2016 aero results had the Transonic at 220 watts with the craptastic Oval wheels. And when set up with the control 404's that brought it down to ~210ish close to the foil etc. And that was a retail off the shelf bike with standard handle bars and miles of cable housing hanging out.

I reckon by my assumption that my Transonic with 50mm Primes+ decent bar (Aeronova LTD) + optimised cables (heatshrinking cables together where I can to reduce exposed cable area) would hypothetically be close to the 208-210 range

I didn't bother with a full integrated bar/stem for my Transonic because I am pretty sure you are ruining the aerodynamics of the bar/stem junction with an out front mounted computer anyway. So mounting my Aeronova to a standard stem made sense to me as the stem is already in dirty air disturbed by my bike computer.

There is of course more to aero bikes than aero performance. Today it took all of 5 seconds for me to notice a dramatic difference between my buddy's Venge vs my Madone. His experience riding my Madone was the same. The Madone is pretty much a Cadillac Escalade. The IsoSpeed works and the handling is deliberate/predictable. The Venge feels more nimble/agile. I was slaloming between botts dots as soon as I got on it because it just felt so right.

I have seen computer mounts that go on top tube "bottle cage" / bento box mounts right behind the stem. That seems a like a fairly ideal place to keep a computer besides underneath the saddle or something like they do in track.

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Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:40 am
Alastair2308 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:11 am
So if there is anything I can take away from this. It's that my 2017 Fuji Transonic is still competitive with today's aerobikes. Cause I remember the 2016 aero results had the Transonic at 220 watts with the craptastic Oval wheels. And when set up with the control 404's that brought it down to ~210ish close to the foil etc. And that was a retail off the shelf bike with standard handle bars and miles of cable housing hanging out.

I reckon by my assumption that my Transonic with 50mm Primes+ decent bar (Aeronova LTD) + optimised cables (heatshrinking cables together where I can to reduce exposed cable area) would hypothetically be close to the 208-210 range

I didn't bother with a full integrated bar/stem for my Transonic because I am pretty sure you are ruining the aerodynamics of the bar/stem junction with an out front mounted computer anyway. So mounting my Aeronova to a standard stem made sense to me as the stem is already in dirty air disturbed by my bike computer.

There is of course more to aero bikes than aero performance. Today it took all of 5 seconds for me to notice a dramatic difference between my buddy's Venge vs my Madone. His experience riding my Madone was the same. The Madone is pretty much a Cadillac Escalade. The IsoSpeed works and the handling is deliberate/predictable. The Venge feels more nimble/agile. I was slaloming between botts dots as soon as I got on it because it just felt so right.

I have seen computer mounts that go on top tube "bottle cage" / bento box mounts right behind the stem. That seems a like a fairly ideal place to keep a computer besides underneath the saddle or something like they do in track.
You think you could throw a link my way on these new computer mounts? Might be an excuse for me to get something other than my current 3T Arx stem. (And any excuses to buy new bike stuff is good enough for me :lol: )

Yes definitely right about the performance aspect other than aero. I was just that thinking to myself. Because last week I put my Prime RP50'S on my bike. And I ride those at 95psi rear/ 90 front on GP4000 23mm (25mm measured with calipers) with Vredstein Latex tubes. And I kept stopping at the side of the road to check tire pressures because everything just felt so soft and "springy". The bumps were softer, buzz was muted. Then when the race I was riding had come and gone I went back to my training wheels which are Trimax 35 alloys, with Grandsport Race 25's on them (27 measured) and I ride those at 85/80psi on standard butyls, And when riding those wheels I make a conscious effort to try and avoid any bumps or buzz because they just feel so harsh. :-|

TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Alastair2308 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:48 am

You think you could throw a link my way on these new computer mounts? Might be an excuse for me to get something other than my current 3T Arx stem. (And any excuses to buy new bike stuff is good enough for me :lol: ) =

Sorry, I don't remember where I saw those mounts. I'll search later...Basically it was a rail system almost like the ones used on the bottom of some integrated bar/stems, but designed for bikes with top tube bottle cage bosses (TT bikes and gravel bikes sometimes have them.) Very few, if any, road racing bikes do.

Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308

Hmm was thinking about it today, considering my position is quite aggresive I doubt I would even be able to read a bike computer behind my stem.

TobinHatesYou
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by TobinHatesYou

Alastair2308 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:59 pm
Hmm was thinking about it today, considering my position is quite aggresive I doubt I would even be able to read a bike computer behind my stem.

I almost never look at my computer in situations where being aero matters anyway.

Alastair2308
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by Alastair2308

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:00 pm
Alastair2308 wrote:
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:59 pm
Hmm was thinking about it today, considering my position is quite aggresive I doubt I would even be able to read a bike computer behind my stem.

I almost never look at my computer in situations where being aero matters anyway.
Sometimes I have to at the front of the bunch in a race. Otherwise I get tunnel vision in just pushing and going fast that I blow myself too soon. I need that reminder sometimes that I need to pace myself. :mrgreen:

grandantipathes
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by grandantipathes

ryanw wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:56 pm
All tested at 45kph:

2019 Cannondale SystemSix Disc - 203w
2016 Trek Madone - 204w
2016 Specialized Venge ViAS - 204w
2016 Cervelo S5 - 205w
2016 Felt AR FRD - 205w
2019 Cervelo S5 Disc - 206w
2016 Canyon Aeroad - 208w
2019 Specialized Venge Disc - 208w
2016 Giant Propel Advanced SL - 210w
2016 Scott Foil Premium - 211w
2016 BMC Time Machine - 211w
2016 Look 795 - 212w
2019 Trek Madone Disc - 212w
2019 Ridley Noah Fast Disc - 213w

Have you guys seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUUh_QeNRVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcdwTRh3sGo

I would trust these results better than any windtunnel data with a mannequin.
It's impressive how much difference the water bottle can make ( especially on the giant )

req110
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by req110

Hello guys. Can someone post (if you have), the results of some 2020 bikes?
In other topic i've read that tarmac sl7 is taking 210W.

I am interested how much is taking SuperSix2020 and Addict.

Especially that supersix, opposed to stock i am using roval clx50 wheels and farsports f1 integrated cockpit, so that can save something.

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EDIT, this taken from "one bike to rule them all" topic

2019 Cannondale SystemSix 203w
2016 Trek Madone 204w
2016 Specialized Venge ViAS 204w
2016 Cervelo S5 205w
2016 Felt AR FRD 205w
2018 Factor One 206W
2016 Canyon Aeroad 208w
2019 Specialized Venge Disc 208w
2016 Giant Propel Advanced SL 210w
2016 Scott Foil Premium 211w
2016 BMC TMR 01 TWO 211w
2018 Pinarello Dogma F12 211W
2016 Look 795 212w
2019 Trek Madone Disc 212w
2019 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 213w
2018 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 218W
2019 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 218W
2019 Scott Addict Premium 219W
2020 Wilier Zero SLR 220W
2018 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 224W
2019 Giant TCR Advanced 227W

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ryanw
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by ryanw

RANK MAKE YEAR WATTS @ 45KPH

01 Cannondale SystemSix Disc 2019 203
02 Specialized Venge ViAS 2016 204
02 Trek Madone 2016 204
04 Cervelo S5 2016 205
04 Felt AR FRD 2016 205
06 Cervelo S5 Disc 2019 206
06 Factor One 2018 206
08 Canyon Aeroad 2016 208
08 Specialized Venge Disc 2019 208
10 Giant Propel Advanced SL 2016 210
10 Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works 2020 210
12 BMC Time Machine 2016 211
12 Pinarello Dogma F12 2018 211
12 Scott Foil Premium 2016 211
15 Look 795 2016 212
15 Trek Madone Disc 2019 212
17 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 2019 213
18 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 218
18 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 2019 218
20 Specialized Allez Spint 2019 219
20 Scott Addict Premium 2019 219
22 Wilier Zero SLR 2020 220
23 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 2018 224
24 Giant TCR Advanced 2019 227
Allez Sprint Disc - 7.60kg
SL7 S-Works - 6.73kg
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alanyu
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by alanyu

ryanw wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
RANK MAKE YEAR WATTS @ 45KPH

01 Cannondale SystemSix Disc 2019 203
02 Specialized Venge ViAS 2016 204
02 Trek Madone 2016 204
04 Cervelo S5 2016 205
04 Felt AR FRD 2016 205
06 Cervelo S5 Disc 2019 206
06 Factor One 2018 206
08 Canyon Aeroad 2016 208
08 Specialized Venge Disc 2019 208
10 Giant Propel Advanced SL 2016 210
10 Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works 2020 210
12 BMC Time Machine 2016 211
12 Pinarello Dogma F12 2018 211
12 Scott Foil Premium 2016 211
15 Look 795 2016 212
15 Trek Madone Disc 2019 212
17 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 2019 213
18 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 218
18 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 2019 218
20 Specialized Allez Spint 2019 219
20 Scott Addict Premium 2019 219
22 Wilier Zero SLR 2020 220
23 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 2018 224
24 Giant TCR Advanced 2019 227
What's the wheel in this rank? Stocked?

jencvo
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by jencvo

alanyu wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:32 pm
ryanw wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:35 pm
RANK MAKE YEAR WATTS @ 45KPH

01 Cannondale SystemSix Disc 2019 203
02 Specialized Venge ViAS 2016 204
02 Trek Madone 2016 204
04 Cervelo S5 2016 205
04 Felt AR FRD 2016 205
06 Cervelo S5 Disc 2019 206
06 Factor One 2018 206
08 Canyon Aeroad 2016 208
08 Specialized Venge Disc 2019 208
10 Giant Propel Advanced SL 2016 210
10 Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works 2020 210
12 BMC Time Machine 2016 211
12 Pinarello Dogma F12 2018 211
12 Scott Foil Premium 2016 211
15 Look 795 2016 212
15 Trek Madone Disc 2019 212
17 Ridley Noah Fast Disc 2019 213
18 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 2018 218
18 EddyMerckx 525 Disc 2019 218
20 Specialized Allez Spint 2019 219
20 Scott Addict Premium 2019 219
22 Wilier Zero SLR 2020 220
23 Canyon Ultimate 9.0 2018 224
24 Giant TCR Advanced 2019 227
What's the wheel in this rank? Stocked?
Where did Tarmac SL6 go?

TiCass
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by TiCass

"2018 Canondale SuperSix HiMod 218W"

That seams way too good for the old Cannondale. That must be the 2019 model.

nooski
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by nooski

2019 EVO was still Gen 2 model. New GEN 3 is 2020 model.
Dum spiro spero
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rudye9mr
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by rudye9mr

Would like to see the blade 795 rs in that test..

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