Wheels for climbing

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fortrog
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by fortrog

Paddypurplepuss wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:31 pm

Hey those DTs are gorgeous looking wheels. Did you go for the rim or disc brake version? Can you say why the rim version are heavier than the disc - usually its the other way round right?
Rim brake - yeah the weights confused me as well when I saw that on the dt swiss website. If anyone else has insight I would love to know as well. :noidea:
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okimy
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by okimy

I don't know for sure but I reckon that the brake track is reinforced which would beef up the rim. Or the set they weighed was on the heavier end of manufacturing tolerances while the disc one was on the lighter end.

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lambroskol
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by lambroskol

Hello,

I have an S-works tarmac 2019 rim brake with ultegra Di2. I am doing Brevets mostly 200 km but last year i finished one 600 km and i am planning to go to some Brevets this year.

I live in greece and most of the Brevets include climping from 2000m to 4000m every 200km, also the weather is a bit hot here thats why i am a bit worried to buy carbon wheels.

My budget is max 2000 euros for wheels and I m thinking to buy a good aluminum wheel like

Fulcrum Racing Zero Competizione or the same from Campagnolo shamal ultra

or to give up my fears about braking and go for a Carbon wheel.

Thank you in advance for your help.

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by lambroskol

I also want to be Tubeless without the use of rim tape.

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by Mr.Gib

lambroskol wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Hello,

I have an S-works tarmac 2019 rim brake with ultegra Di2. I am doing Brevets mostly 200 km but last year i finished one 600 km and i am planning to go to some Brevets this year.

I live in greece and most of the Brevets include climping from 2000m to 4000m every 200km, also the weather is a bit hot here thats why i am a bit worried to buy carbon wheels.

My budget is max 2000 euros for wheels and I m thinking to buy a good aluminum wheel like

Fulcrum Racing Zero Competizione or the same from Campagnolo shamal ultra

or to give up my fears about braking and go for a Carbon wheel.

Thank you in advance for your help.
If the descending demands a lot of braking, I think carbon for rim brakes is a mistake. If you were racing on closed roads, and centimeters mattered, sure, go with carbon. But for more recreational types of riding, particularely of the extreme sort, what take any extra risk? Tubeless Shamal Ultra will be hard to beat - super strong wheels. My only complaint is that I'd prefer the internal rim width was a mm or two wider.
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.

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fortrog
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by fortrog

Paddypurplepuss - first test ride on the DTs and I am very, very pleased. 35 mi and 2,600 ft of climbing, with rolling hills, straightaways, and a couple longer climbs in the mix made for a great debut route. Definitely a big change from the 404s - I can notice some aero/free speed loss on the long flat segments, but when climbing they feel so much faster/more responsive/stiffer and loads more predictable while descending. For the first time in a long time I wasn't flinching coming around corners at the idea of a terrifying canyon crosswind. I think these wheels will really shine during climbs when it gets into the 8%+ gradients. Only one ride in, but definitely feeling like I made the right decision switching from the zipps.
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lambroskol
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by lambroskol

Mr.Gib wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:13 pm
lambroskol wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Hello,

I have an S-works tarmac 2019 rim brake with ultegra Di2. I am doing Brevets mostly 200 km but last year i finished one 600 km and i am planning to go to some Brevets this year.

I live in greece and most of the Brevets include climping from 2000m to 4000m every 200km, also the weather is a bit hot here thats why i am a bit worried to buy carbon wheels.

My budget is max 2000 euros for wheels and I m thinking to buy a good aluminum wheel like

Fulcrum Racing Zero Competizione or the same from Campagnolo shamal ultra

or to give up my fears about braking and go for a Carbon wheel.

Thank you in advance for your help.
If the descending demands a lot of braking, I think carbon for rim brakes is a mistake. If you were racing on closed roads, and centimeters mattered, sure, go with carbon. But for more recreational types of riding, particularely of the extreme sort, what take any extra risk? Tubeless Shamal Ultra will be hard to beat - super strong wheels. My only complaint is that I'd prefer the internal rim width was a mm or two wider.
Thank you for the reply,

Thats exactly my concern about carbon wheels, braking in long desceding, some of them around here are 10 miles long and 5% to 12% gradient. Also I am not sure if i will notice any difference in speed while climbing if i will use carbon wheels instead of a good alloy wheels

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by LewisK

Mr.Gib wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:13 pm
lambroskol wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Hello,

I have an S-works tarmac 2019 rim brake with ultegra Di2. I am doing Brevets mostly 200 km but last year i finished one 600 km and i am planning to go to some Brevets this year.

I live in greece and most of the Brevets include climping from 2000m to 4000m every 200km, also the weather is a bit hot here thats why i am a bit worried to buy carbon wheels.

My budget is max 2000 euros for wheels and I m thinking to buy a good aluminum wheel like

Fulcrum Racing Zero Competizione or the same from Campagnolo shamal ultra

or to give up my fears about braking and go for a Carbon wheel.

Thank you in advance for your help.
If the descending demands a lot of braking, I think carbon for rim brakes is a mistake. If you were racing on closed roads, and centimeters mattered, sure, go with carbon. But for more recreational types of riding, particularely of the extreme sort, what take any extra risk? Tubeless Shamal Ultra will be hard to beat - super strong wheels. My only complaint is that I'd prefer the internal rim width was a mm or two wider.

Racing zero’s/shamals are hard to beat. You’d certainly have to drop a chunk of change to better them!

I have a set of racing zero nites and changed this year to racing zero carbons, and can’t really tell the difference being honest! The racing zeros were getting a little old and tired so became a wheel set for the winter bike, hence buying the carbon version as a replacement.

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by lambroskol

LewisK thank you for the reply.

I am about to order Racing zero competizione on Racing Zero Nite. I prefer the look of the Nite but I am worried how long the braking coating will last.
From your experience does it last for long?

LewisK
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by LewisK

Depends.

Initially it didnt really wear much which was great! I brought them spring 2016 and for the first few months, no real wear at all but that was mainly dry weather. However once the weather took a turn for the worse, the black plasma treatment started to wear yes.

If they are kept for good summer weather riding, you should be fine, just make sure to clean the rims and pads on a regular basis!

But the minute you start to ride in crappy conditions where there is a lot of muck, debris, wet roads e.t.c. then the black surface will wear in no time!

Hope that helps!

lambroskol
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by lambroskol

Thank you very much for the info!
I will buy the zero competizione in order to avoid that issue, apart from that I think it the same wheel.
Thank you again

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lambroskol wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:00 am
LewisK thank you for the reply.

I am about to order Racing zero competizione on Racing Zero Nite. I prefer the look of the Nite but I am worried how long the braking coating will last.
From your experience does it last for long?
I’ve been using the Campagnolo Shamal Mille which are the same wheels

been using them as my everyday commuting wheels, done a few of thousand kms, The coating remains intact

Bought the Shamals as they were on special at the time and cheaper than the Racing Zeros
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by Paddypurplepuss

fortrog wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:48 pm
Paddypurplepuss - first test ride on the DTs and I am very, very pleased. 35 mi and 2,600 ft of climbing, with rolling hills, straightaways, and a couple longer climbs in the mix made for a great debut route. Definitely a big change from the 404s - I can notice some aero/free speed loss on the long flat segments, but when climbing they feel so much faster/more responsive/stiffer and loads more predictable while descending. For the first time in a long time I wasn't flinching coming around corners at the idea of a terrifying canyon crosswind. I think these wheels will really shine during climbs when it gets into the 8%+ gradients. Only one ride in, but definitely feeling like I made the right decision switching from the zipps.
Ah thats brillaint man. Keep me posted on the progresss. Have you got to test them descending in the rain yet?

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StevenH72 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:11 pm
So, I've gone through a similar decision. I just love wheels. I currently ride a set of Enve 3.4SES Gen 2 for summer and some A-Force AL33's for winter, both laced to Tune Mig70/Mag170 hubs with CX-Ray spokes.

The Enve's come in at 1420g (with rim tape) and the A-Force at 1,475g. I run both tubeless on Schwalbe Pro Ones.

I fancied a lighter set, not because I think I'll gain any great performance benefits, I just like geeking out on wheels.

For reference, I am 80kg at the moment and will float between 75-77kg through summer. Next year I am attempting the Cingles du Mont Ventoux, so my "climbing" set is really for that.

I was trying to decide between Schmolke TLO45s and Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke and ended up going down the Hunt route.

I doubt the Hunts will actually come in at 1,295g, but that is where I ended up going. Not being a traditional grimpeur, physique wise, I liked the stiffness offering of the Hunt's and even at low 1300g's it is a crazy light set.

I had an email from Hunt yesterday saying that my set is due for delivery in November Wk2, so hopefully I will have them soon. I'll update once I have received them. I think they look like a great wheelset and the ceramicspeed bearings is just a bonus. Great value imho
Did you get your hunt wheels yet?

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by StevenH72

Not yet, still waiting on a confirmed delivery date. I'll let you know when I hear more. (I might give a little chaser tomorrow)

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