Oh crap I hadn't even considered that one yet it's bad enough sneaking up with rim brakes!

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Looks good that one but a bit too late for me now. I happy with the look for now but maybe if the hoses ever need to be replaced, and I'm hoping not the outrageous price of them, let's hope some 3rd party ones come onto the marketKlaster_1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:28 amAnother option was to leave enough of extra front hose so it goes along the FD housing, but it might rub the head tube. Here's how mine used to look.
RTW wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:46 amI feel for you with your QC issues, but also perhaps you came to this from a position of not wanting to be impressed with the discs? The noise notwithstanding. You wrote that you can get similar braking performance with carbon rims to alloy by braking sooner and squeezing harder. That isn’t similar performance! You’re braking earlier and putting in more effort to do it. I wanted to be super impressed with disc brakes and everything I'd read over the past couple of years had heightened my expectation. Reality for me is that I have seen little perceptible benefit. When I refer to similar performance, I'm meaning purely on braking sensation and stopping power, not the feel of the lever or the effort you have to put into it. Yes disc brakes levers are much lighter for the equivalent braking power you get. But you adjust your riding accordingly. If you grab alloy rims brakes hard there is a surge of stopping power that comes in quickly. For carbon rim brakes I found out you needed to pull hard on them to get good braking power. If you brake the same as you would with alloy rims you won't get the same stopping power. Disc brakes you have a different feel again. Braking hard to me doesn't seem to give any kind of surge it's all much smoother. Is this what they mean by modulation? Is it better? That's just down to personal choice what you like. Ultimately braking ability is down to how well the tyre grips on the road, along with where your weight is positioned amongst many other factors that many on here are far better qualified to explain, but I haven't noticed any perceptible improvement in braking
However I still find your write up of real value.
On the front mech, sometimes you find this and it is usually when the bike has been designed around other components with different geometry (like a shimano front mech). It’s down to the testing the company does or doesn’t do.
I am in agreement with you throughout though - sort of. I have disc on a wet weather bike for 5 years. They are cable actuated hydraulics. They are really good. No rubbing, easy to adjust and great feel. They squealed a lot to begin with, but a switch to metallic pads as good as cured that. Stopping is far better than alloy rim brakes in the wet.
I don’t have any bikes with alloy rims and daul pivots anymore. My summer bike has carbon rims and dual pivots. Braking is fine, not as good as the wet weather bike (in any condition) but perfectly good. I have, however, delaminated a carbon rim in the mountains using carbon clinchers. So it is a system I’m wary of on longer prolonged braking efforts. Yes I've read a lot about this one and that was another reason to go with disc brakes as I might like to do some mountain riding and I wouldn't be confident doing that with carbon rim brakes
I haven't had the chance to ride in the wet, now I've done what I do with car brake pads and that's with the anti seize on the back of the pads. I read somewhere in my searching that it worked for someone so I'm optimistic it will help. The thing with the brakes when it's wet is if I have to brake for more than a few seconds, and hard, resulting in enough heat generated in the discs then the noise will go away so it seems to be the wet that the issue is with.XCProMD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:29 pmAnother one here that prefers rim brakes for road bikes. Boras with Campag dual pivots just work as good as I need them to work and it’s a simple and light system, spot on for the application.
Said that, your problem with Campag discs is strange as what you have there is the best disc system money can buy right now. Try changing pads and cleaning the discs with isopropyl alcohol or acetone.
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wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.
I totally agree.. op has alot of patience.Mr.Gib wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:33 pmGreat write up and impressive effort to overcome so many problems.
But what at total piece of shit. Shit frame, shit seatpost, and extra shit service from Ribble. You have a lot more patience and tolerance than most. Karma seriously owes you a good turn for this nonsense. Glad that it rides well.
About the lack of braking power. With some more time and some super hard braking efforts, you may find that the power eventually comes on big time. I've had that with all of my disc bikes when new and whenever I have changed pads. Depending on brake, caliper, rotor combination, the bedding in process may take more that a few stops. And FYI, if you only ever apply the brakes lightly they may never get to full stopping power. The pads just sort of get polished or glazed when used like that. My 110 lb cautions wife has this problem.
Thank you I know a lot of the issues have now gone and was related purely to the build up of it, but it's the noise of the brakes more than anything where the problem is. I did spend quite some time following the Sram bedding in process amongst others. I even did it on my rollers with the brake held on for periods to melt pad substance onto the disc (as that's basically what you're trying to do as with new car discs/pads). It's noticeable that there was a slow change to the surface so I will just do this a bit more. It does seem like deglazing the discs is something that will help.Mr.Gib wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:33 pmGreat write up and impressive effort to overcome so many problems.
But what at total piece of shit. Shit frame, shit seatpost, and extra shit service from Ribble. You have a lot more patience and tolerance than most. Karma seriously owes you a good turn for this nonsense. Glad that it rides well.
About the lack of braking power. With some more time and some super hard braking efforts, you may find that the power eventually comes on big time. I've had that with all of my disc bikes when new and whenever I have changed pads. Depending on brake, caliper, rotor combination, the bedding in process may take more that a few stops. And FYI, if you only ever apply the brakes lightly they may never get to full stopping power. The pads just sort of get polished or glazed when used like that. My 110 lb cautions wife has this problem.
I agree, and would add that as disc brakes (or mine, at least) "just work" without perhaps the same level of feedback as rim systems, sometimes youve got to trust the process more. Ive an alloy-rimmed-braked bike, and a disc brake one, and ride them both.Mr.Gib wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:33 pmGreat write up and impressive effort to overcome so many problems.
About the lack of braking power. With some more time and some super hard braking efforts, you may find that the power eventually comes on big time. I've had that with all of my disc bikes when new and whenever I have changed pads. Depending on brake, caliper, rotor combination, the bedding in process may take more that a few stops. And FYI, if you only ever apply the brakes lightly they may never get to full stopping power. The pads just sort of get polished or glazed when used like that. My 110 lb cautions wife has this problem.
Seems you've missed my question, so I'll ask again. Genuinely curious to hear your thoughts.Mep wrote:Appreciate the honest review. Nice to see your candid reactions to all kinds of situations! How much of your frustration do you think stemmed from being unfamiliar with disc, and how much of it from a realization that it's not what you wanted/needed?
Sorry I did see that one earlier and missed the reply. I think if the brakes had been as good as my expectation had been lead to believe by all the reviews and feedback by disc brake users then it may have been an acceptable end outcome. But the lack of any significant benefit up to now was just the icing on a crap cakeMep wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:28 pmSeems you've missed my question, so I'll ask again. Genuinely curious to hear your thoughts.Mep wrote:Appreciate the honest review. Nice to see your candid reactions to all kinds of situations! How much of your frustration do you think stemmed from being unfamiliar with disc, and how much of it from a realization that it's not what you wanted/needed?
Good answer, makes sense now that you have it anyway, fingers crossed that the noise will go away and the pain would've been worth it. Thanks for the response!c60rider wrote:
I think if the discs bed in better and I can eliminate the howling then the bike as a whole will grow on me in time and do what it was intended which was to have a top end wet weather bike.