TheRich wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:00 pm
It's a silly assumption to suggest that people go through the trouble and expense of getting a PM, but don't have a $50 HR strap...especially when you concede that some strip all data from their rides.
No it's not silly. You literally have hundreds of online coaches and Youtube coaches and channels telling you how to train with power without ever mentioning the use of heart rate monitors. You literally have hundreds of online coaches telling you that power meters are an "improvement" or a "replacement" for HR monitors. You even have online coaches saying "if you are serious, get a power meter and later if you can afford it, get a HR monitor." So how is it silly to assume that some guy who buys a power meter and wants to get serious with training, will read one of these articles/watch one of those videos, and conclude that they no longer need to train with a HR monitor? I think that's a logical and reasonable possibility. Evidence of this is everywhere. Open your eyes.
For example, I posted an interview with coaches who were lamenting the fact that cyclists have "buried their heart rate monitors a decade ago."
I also offered my personal experience, as well as Strava segment data to support this. You even have posters in this very thread saying power meters are superior to heart rate monitors. But to you, this is all very unlikely? I find it extremely silly that you believe some guy averaging <25km/h on rides is going to care enough to strip their HR data.
TheRich wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:00 pm
That is such a pompous, condescending and nonsensical statement.
I'm pretty sure "20 minutes, as hard as you can" pretty much covers the bases.
I'm pretty sure that is the worst possible advice you can give to someone about to do an FTP test. Would you tell this to someone who took 2 months off from cycling? Or a swimmer who is now trying to become a cyclist and just bought an ill-fitting bike with a power meter? Or someone coming back from injury? Or someone who went really hard two days before? Good luck with those FTP results...
Even lab-conducted FTP tests have been shown to have variability as great as 11% from your actual lactate threshold. That's a huge difference. If you're going to do an amateur FTP test, you should at least try to control for as many variables as possible.
TheRich wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:00 pm
The vast majority of people don't have access to a lab, so they use gross approximations like HR and power zone calculators.
It's unsurprising that while trying to discredit FTP based training, you're also discrediting HR based training.
There are smart ways to approximate, and there are dumb ways to approximate. And however you do the approximation, you need to know that your test results could be very wrong, and the consequences of it being very wrong.
Testing outdoors on a bicycle is notoriously inaccurate, especially for unfit cyclists who may lack the basis muscle power to do a full 20 minute time trial. Add in the human error element and it becomes even worse. There are ways to control for this and limit the error, but you need to understand it's still a guessing game, and the results can be very off.
Thus I am a huge advocate of HR zones for amateurs. In fact I think all amateurs should train using HR zones. Why? Because Max HR can be reliably and easily tested and does not require a sustained effort. It also does not depend on fitness levels or ability to recruit muscle mass. A few short all-out sprints after sufficient warmup is all it takes. HR based training is still subject to variables of course. But the variability is in your actual heart rate on a given day...the Zones are more or less accurate and remain stable over time (decreasing over a period of years). The problem with variability in LTHR/FTP is that the actual baseline measure, i.e. 100% of FTP can be off. That throws off every single Zone. This requires a lot of care and monitoring and is nowhere near as user-friendly as people make it out to be.