I thought that my tuned 7800 brakes and 7800 levers were the best braking system ever until I got 2012 Red and EE brakes with the early lighter return spring. More braking power, better modulation and less lever effort.
I'd like to use the EEs on the next bike I build which would be one drawback to using Shimano 9000- the brake levers pull more cable than Sram or Campy, reducing the mechanical advantage and thus increasing the force needed.
I love the rear shifting of sram red (super fast and positive feedback) but I absolutely hate the front shifting. I recently tried dura ace 9000 and it blew me away with how buttery smooth and effortless the shifting was for a mechanical groupset especially the front. It almost felt too light front and back and feedback was minimal, suppose thats just being used to Red. I have yet to try Di2.
I dont think I will get to try the new red or force and no bike stores have them.
For those that have ridden new red/force and dura ace 9000 how would you describe the front shifting to shimano if shimano is super light and smooth? Is it the same, heavier or ....?
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I detest double tap. Ergo cannot consider SRAM. Mainly a Campagnolo man ( my Record 10v is still going strong) and have a bike with Ultegra that is also nice and shifts well (not as nice as Record but not comparable).
At the very least try hood shapes and make decisions based on that.
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But, I hate that the brake levers move. For that reason alone, I prefer Di2.
SRAM has fantastic warranty service, which is good because you're more likely to need it. The shifters in particular seem to just go without warning. Front shifting is better than before, but not quite as good as DA. Rear is all equal, depends whether you like a heavy click (SRAM, Campag) or a light one (DA).
FYI, the 9001 series shifters do not fix the cable breaking problem. It adds a cover on the inside of the shifter, completely unrelated. Shimano is still looking into the cable issue — apparently, it didn't come up in pre-production testing, but now that people have had those groups for a year or so we're hearing more stories. I'll have more on the issue later on, still digging.
Record or Super Record will be my advice
Shimano is ok i guess. the new Di2 11speed is catching up slowly to SR EPS. the mechanical is probably not far off from a performace point
Sram should stick to MTB which they good at. MTB hides the noise
this is my opinion
Causidicus wrote:tkailoon wrote:...a heavier and firm shifting or a snappy one which shimano offers.
I think you might be the only person in the world that could consider Campagnolo 11s shifting to be anything but 'snappy'.
In this case we have different definition of how snappy should be. After trying both I still think Shimano shifts faster.
Just some food for thought.
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