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- stella-azzurra
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devinci wrote:redraggon, your maths are correct.
stella, I think im fairly good at TT for my little experience. The course is ALWAYS windy and it has some rollers. The times are not very fast generally, cause of the wind. Also, I donc have a skinsuit, nor a disk wheel and my TT bike set up works with friction shifters! The way I pace my TT is I tend to start conservative, build it up and hold the speed as much as I can, and finish strong on the end, but its easier said then done. Sometimes, I just start out too fast
mattr, what do you mean by over egging the cake? Like I said the times are not very fast cause of the winds. But I guess i'll be faster then last year, given similar weather conditions
Sorry I was wrong in the calculation. In this case then Devinci would be better than most beginners. One thing is that when you hit the road it will be harder than the indoor training.
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mattr
what I understand is you think doing 2 hard training sessions a week is pointless. My goal is getting better at TTs and in cycling in general cause I love it and im starting to love racing more and more. Guess we have different ambitions in cycling
Stella
yeah I expect it to be hard when i'll get outside. But traiing indoor on the trainer is better then doing nothing or doing something not specific to what I want to acheive.
what I understand is you think doing 2 hard training sessions a week is pointless. My goal is getting better at TTs and in cycling in general cause I love it and im starting to love racing more and more. Guess we have different ambitions in cycling
Stella
yeah I expect it to be hard when i'll get outside. But traiing indoor on the trainer is better then doing nothing or doing something not specific to what I want to acheive.
- stella-azzurra
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I currently have it set up that when I wake up in the morning I run into my bike that is strategically set up near my bed. The bike in question is a trek 1200 hooked up to a Kurt Kinetic trainer. I set it up that way so that maybe, maybe I might try and ride it. Well I did do that Saturday morning for 30 minutes. I do not have a computer on the bike so I don't know what mileage, speed or cadence I did but I do remember that it was harder on my legs than riding my bike on the road. The 42x13 gear was rather pungent after a few minutes. But regardless on the trainer you don't need to worry about road condition, temperature, wind, and hills. Just concentrating on fluid strokes and keeping the cadence constant. I dread my little torture trainer.
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I knew it would come over badlydevinci wrote:mattr
what I understand is you think doing 2 hard training sessions a week is pointless. My goal is getting better at TTs and in cycling in general cause I love it and im starting to love racing more and more. Guess we have different ambitions in cycling.
From this ^^ post its fairly clear that you aren't "peaking for a TT in May", you are trying to build season/base fitness and there is a TT in May that you want to do well in.
mattr wrote:What I'm trying to get at is all these targeted sessions and planning, just to turn yourself inside out for half an hour. Seems a lot of effort for little point (or reward).
Racing a good ITT not reward?
for an entire winter and springs training, one TT? No. Not even close.Dalai wrote:Racing a good ITT not reward?mattr wrote:What I'm trying to get at is all these targeted sessions and planning, just to turn yourself inside out for half an hour. Seems a lot of effort for little point (or reward).
My plan for february:
-Once or twice a week: Tempo ride on the trainer (45-75 min.). Either bring it (steadily) to over 60 minutes, or push up the "wattage" a little.
- Once a week: Leg speed and technique. Spin ups, isolated leg, small gear training.
- Once a week : Leg "Strengh" (maybe that's not exactly it but...): 15-20 minutes sub-threshold (L4) pushing a big gear (around 70 rpm). Work on TT position.
- Various endurance rides the rest of the time (2-3 times per week).
Goal is to enter a first race mid-May.
Be ready (fit) for first "big" race may 30th (stage race).
That would be my first expected "peak"... Other important races are in august and sept. So big gap there ....
Louis
-Once or twice a week: Tempo ride on the trainer (45-75 min.). Either bring it (steadily) to over 60 minutes, or push up the "wattage" a little.
- Once a week: Leg speed and technique. Spin ups, isolated leg, small gear training.
- Once a week : Leg "Strengh" (maybe that's not exactly it but...): 15-20 minutes sub-threshold (L4) pushing a big gear (around 70 rpm). Work on TT position.
- Various endurance rides the rest of the time (2-3 times per week).
Goal is to enter a first race mid-May.
Be ready (fit) for first "big" race may 30th (stage race).
That would be my first expected "peak"... Other important races are in august and sept. So big gap there ....
Louis
Louis
what are your endurance rides on? Bike? MTB? skis?
Also, whats that race mid-may? Saint-ray and charlevois I guess.
I so, I see the point of doing low cadence threshold efforts, charlevoix is hilly as hell aparently, never done it
what are your endurance rides on? Bike? MTB? skis?
Also, whats that race mid-may? Saint-ray and charlevois I guess.
I so, I see the point of doing low cadence threshold efforts, charlevoix is hilly as hell aparently, never done it
Endurance rides (1.5-2.5 hrs) are on the trainer (rreeeeaalllly boring (watching the children's channel , or some Wii game they're playing..), but it's a dad's task to be around the house...).
You pointed the right races. Charlevoix would be my first stage race ever. And, as I pointed earlier, I've never trained year round. Usually, I start training in may ...
I'm working on my weak points, wich are strenght (hills: I'll need extra strenght to push my 17lbs rig up those 11-12% hills)) and muscular endurance (I suck at TT).
I'll eventually be doing anaerobic endurance, but that type of work will come later (march-april). I would be dead my march if I started that type of work now...These will be done outside, with the "help" of one or two "motivated" buddies.
Louis
You pointed the right races. Charlevoix would be my first stage race ever. And, as I pointed earlier, I've never trained year round. Usually, I start training in may ...
I'm working on my weak points, wich are strenght (hills: I'll need extra strenght to push my 17lbs rig up those 11-12% hills)) and muscular endurance (I suck at TT).
I'll eventually be doing anaerobic endurance, but that type of work will come later (march-april). I would be dead my march if I started that type of work now...These will be done outside, with the "help" of one or two "motivated" buddies.
Louis
found this quite interesting - philip deignan's winter/early season training regime:
http://www.philipdeignan.com/node/73
http://www.philipdeignan.com/node/73
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mattr wrote:for an entire winter and springs training, one TT? No. Not even close.Dalai wrote:Racing a good ITT not reward?mattr wrote:What I'm trying to get at is all these targeted sessions and planning, just to turn yourself inside out for half an hour. Seems a lot of effort for little point (or reward).
I say use whatever gets you out the door if the conditions allow or onto the trainer is good.
Having said that were I live we can train and race year round for road and track so can only feel your pain rather than experience it...
devinci wrote:1.5 to 2 hours at 300 watts
thanks paddy, interresting read
300 watts alone isn't that amazing but when taking his weight (64kg) into account, it puts the power in different perspective.
We're having a great winter here. Steady -10 all the time and we finally have some snow. Good times doing tempo workouts on skis and SST/threshold on a trainer. Just started at a new job on Feb 1st and that made my schedule quite a bit more challenging.
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