that "perfect" gravel frameset for 2025

[NoMütze]

Geometry!

[smartyiak]

How about this:

https://bikerumor.com/all-new-mondraker ... avel-bike/
https://granfondo-cycling.com/mondraker ... 2025-test/

Yes, it's a Mondraker, so it's SPENDY...but not anymoreso than the Ridley.

Pro: 50 tire clearance, burrito box, UDH, the spendy one is <8kg.
Con: price, 1x only.

Why would someone get this over Tideace Noah?

Because this looks better. Bc it comes in a proper XL. Bc there's a local dealer that can help with problems. Bc you make > $250kyr, have no debt, and you want it. That's just off the top of my head; I'm sure there's other good reasons to buy it. Choices: it's what makes the world great.

[ooo]

Chapter2 Kaha (50c front, 47c rear) added to page 2 list

if you was looking for frame design with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge
this one tick all other boxes: 1.5x1.5 head tube, udh, thread bb, 27.2 round post, dt storage
(I think this was first frame with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge that tick all this boxes)

[LanceLegstrong]

Chapter2 Kaha (50c front, 47c rear) added to page 2 list

if you was looking for frame design with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge
this one tick all other boxes: 1.5x1.5 head tube, udh, thread bb, 27.2 round post, dt storage
(I think this was first frame with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge that tick all this boxes)

Are there enough bolt bosses though?

Also, those are 100% dropped seatstays.

[treyxt]

Chapter2 Kaha (50c front, 47c rear) added to page 2 list

if you was looking for frame design with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge
this one tick all other boxes: 1.5x1.5 head tube, udh, thread bb, 27.2 round post, dt storage
(I think this was first frame with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge that tick all this boxes)

Are there enough bolt bosses though?

Also, those are 100% dropped seatstays.

are we looking at the same image?

[ooo]

he mixed chain stays and seat stays
seat stay - not dropped
chain stays - dropped
they have to drop cs tubes because they are they keeping 417 mm chain stay length

[Requiem84]

Chapter2 Kaha (50c front, 47c rear) added to page 2 list

if you was looking for frame design with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge
this one tick all other boxes: 1.5x1.5 head tube, udh, thread bb, 27.2 round post, dt storage
(I think this was first frame with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge that tick all this boxes)

Nice find, shame they cluttered the frame with all those mounting points.

[smartyiak]

I really like the "sand" color, but those mounts are a bit excessive.

[LanceLegstrong]

Chapter2 Kaha (50c front, 47c rear) added to page 2 list

if you was looking for frame design with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge
this one tick all other boxes: 1.5x1.5 head tube, udh, thread bb, 27.2 round post, dt storage
(I think this was first frame with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge that tick all this boxes)

Are there enough bolt bosses though?

Also, those are 100% dropped seatstays.

are we looking at the same image?

D'oh!! Brain fart. I read that as dropped chainstay. My bad.

[Volsung]

How about this:

https://bikerumor.com/all-new-mondraker ... avel-bike/
https://granfondo-cycling.com/mondraker ... 2025-test/

Yes, it's a Mondraker, so it's SPENDY...but not anymoreso than the Ridley.

Pro: 50 tire clearance, burrito box, UDH, the spendy one is <8kg.
Con: price, 1x only.

Why would someone get this over Tideace Noah?

Tideace Noahs have a teeny tiny head tube. Deal breaker for me, but the rest of it is dang near perfect.

[Requiem84]

How about this:

https://bikerumor.com/all-new-mondraker ... avel-bike/
https://granfondo-cycling.com/mondraker ... 2025-test/

Yes, it's a Mondraker, so it's SPENDY...but not anymoreso than the Ridley.

Pro: 50 tire clearance, burrito box, UDH, the spendy one is <8kg.
Con: price, 1x only.

Why would someone get this over Tideace Noah?

Tideace Noahs have a teeny tiny head tube. Deal breaker for me, but the rest of it is dang near perfect.

And why is that a dealbreaker for you?

[Volsung]

How about this:

https://bikerumor.com/all-new-mondraker ... avel-bike/
https://granfondo-cycling.com/mondraker ... 2025-test/

Yes, it's a Mondraker, so it's SPENDY...but not anymoreso than the Ridley.

Pro: 50 tire clearance, burrito box, UDH, the spendy one is <8kg.
Con: price, 1x only.

Why would someone get this over Tideace Noah?

Tideace Noahs have a teeny tiny head tube. Deal breaker for me, but the rest of it is dang near perfect.

And why is that a dealbreaker for you?

because I like a bike that has geometry that fits me.

[MC356]

Chapter2 Kaha (50c front, 47c rear) added to page 2 list

if you was looking for frame design with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge
this one tick all other boxes: 1.5x1.5 head tube, udh, thread bb, 27.2 round post, dt storage
(I think this was first frame with non-dropped seatstays without rear bridge that tick all this boxes)

Are there enough bolt bosses though?

Also, those are 100% dropped seatstays.

are we looking at the same image?

D'oh!! Brain fart. I read that as dropped chainstay. My bad.

Look almost exactly like the Haro Buzzard...

[Lina]

Why would someone get this over Tideace Noah?

Tideace Noahs have a teeny tiny head tube. Deal breaker for me, but the rest of it is dang near perfect.

And why is that a dealbreaker for you?

because I like a bike that has geometry that fits me.

You are allowed to flip a stem to positive rise. But sure, geometry is about the only reason I can see.

[ooo]

ali link ($421-455) - another udh gravel frame - g30u, 50mm tire, udh, 1.5x1.5 headtube, 425 mm chainstay (vs 435 on noah)