Very interested in your thoughts on Chorus 2015+ in the context of what is being discussed here.
1x Campagnolo Ekar drivetrain
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I'll need to order a DT 240 campy freehub. I forgot how awful Campy shifting is with SRAM XG cassettes.
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Do the Ekar levers have the short/long throw adjustment like the road groupsets do? I couldn't find that in the manual.
Does anyone else find the braking on the Ekar slightly underwhelming? I remember H11, particulary when set to the more powerful option, a notch above good rim brakes. These seem to require a meaningful amount of pressure from the hoods for a high speed stop (or just coming to a stop at the end of my 15% grade street). Force is roughly the same as my eTap/eeBrakes/Bontrager XXX combo but I almost want to say in a panic stop the rim brakes are better (they're certainly better with the Hed Ardennes turbine track).
I don't think it's a bleed issue as braking occurs mid lever and is very very firm there. I'd prefer more lever travel to modulate better through the power curve and better be able to clamp down from the hoods. Campy braking historically has been biased towards being optimized for braking from the hoods (very long throw in the drops).
I don't think it's a bleed issue as braking occurs mid lever and is very very firm there. I'd prefer more lever travel to modulate better through the power curve and better be able to clamp down from the hoods. Campy braking historically has been biased towards being optimized for braking from the hoods (very long throw in the drops).
which disks and pads?RyanH wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:03 pmDoes anyone else find the braking on the Ekar slightly underwhelming? I remember H11, particulary when set to the more powerful option, a notch above good rim brakes. These seem to require a meaningful amount of pressure from the hoods for a high speed stop (or just coming to a stop at the end of my 15% grade street). Force is roughly the same as my eTap/eeBrakes/Bontrager XXX combo but I almost want to say in a panic stop the rim brakes are better (they're certainly better with the Hed Ardennes turbine track).
I don't think it's a bleed issue as braking occurs mid lever and is very very firm there. I'd prefer more lever travel to modulate better through the power curve and better be able to clamp down from the hoods. Campy braking historically has been biased towards being optimized for braking from the hoods (very long throw in the drops).
Stock AFS steel rotors and pads. Underwhelming is probably a bit harsh. The braking isn't bad. It's just not as good as I remember H11 being.
I'm thinking it has more to do with the hydraulics. My understanding is that they updated the master cylinder and hydraulics in Ekar. Ekar also is not adjustable for the pull force whereas H11 is.
I'm very happy with Ekar braking; it has just the right travel and modulation for me (but that's very subjective). I've had a couple of glitches with gear indexing, but the brakes are fine.
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@robertbb yeah, I did and I think I was due for new cables and housing or something because I was less impressed with Chorus than I was with Ekar shifting. I have SR 12s mechanical coming so I'll once again report back but I was having issues with the sweep up the cassette and it temporarily going to the next largest cog and back down. I have this issue on both Ekar and Chorus. On the Chorus group I didn't have a Campy chain so that may definitely be a factor.
I love the thumb shifter on Ekar and I'll miss that going to SR. I missed the ability to dump multiple cogs down the cassette, that was something I probably over fixate on when I get on that bike as it takes a fraction of a second longer to shift each cog down than any other groupset (long throw and must let it reset).
Other than that, I think the single shift up on Ekar felt more precise and defined whereas Chorus felt vague.
I love the thumb shifter on Ekar and I'll miss that going to SR. I missed the ability to dump multiple cogs down the cassette, that was something I probably over fixate on when I get on that bike as it takes a fraction of a second longer to shift each cog down than any other groupset (long throw and must let it reset).
Other than that, I think the single shift up on Ekar felt more precise and defined whereas Chorus felt vague.
I've had SR 12 on my other bike for a week now and SR12 feels much more defined in its shifting and clicks. It's just a little more tactile and precise feeling.
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