Canyon Grail

Especially for light weight issues concerning cyclocross / touring bikes & parts.

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by rainerhq

Marin wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:50 am
Someone should think about how to make rigid disc forks more compliant. And no, the solution is not called "Zertz".
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Marin wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:50 am
I think all the gimmicks will disappear, and clever component design and good tires will stay.

Someone should think about how to make rigid disc forks more compliant. And no, the solution is not called "Zertz".
They probably claim a % rate of flex in some sales propaganda.
But if you ride hard, how are you sure the fork doesn't brake.
That is, if it basically is a stiff fork!
THM did an interesting prototype with lamella construction.
Canyon had a concept road (race) bike with suspension both front and rear.

I still think it's strange we see bikes like Pinarello S-models, the new Wilier NDR and others with a rear suspension of some sort.
But virtually no gravel bikes.
Excerpt is True Grit bike with the Grit fork
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by Marin

It's all marketing gimmicks.

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by Roel W

Canyon Grail AL coming up:
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CANYON Ultimate AL 2010
CANYON Ultimate CF SL 2014
CANYON Ultimate CF SL disc 2018
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by Marin

Have fun riding offroad with 2mm fender clearance :D

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Marin wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 9:36 am
Have fun riding offroad with 2mm fender clearance :D
You don't understand, it's not a mudguard, it's a tire wipers.

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by OnTheRivet

A larger tire run at a lower pressure does magnitudes more for comfort (without screwing up handling) than any frame/fork/stem/seatpost/handlebar gimmick, and they are relatively cheap.

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Roel W
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It's there: Grail AL https://www.canyon.com/en/road/grail/#filter1=AL
Prices seem very reasonable.
CANYON Ultimate AL 2010
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by Westbank

I'm a big Canyon fan... but I'm not impress by the welds :( :(
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by MountainAddict

I've been waiting for the Grail AL to come out, but after seeing it (and knowing it'll take a while longer before it becomes available in the States), I think I'll go with a Topstone instead.

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by TuplaO

Those welds are not quite on the level of 'metallic bird shIt', but the lumpiness is notable, shall we say...

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by Shrike

Rare I pop into this forum, but saw the Grail AL yesterday and am considering them for the missus and I as all rounder bikes. We don't really have much by way of gravel paths in the UK, so really want something that I can adapt from road winter training to cross basically. I'd be looking to stick some cheapo power meter on mine and use it for ultras or multi-day stuff myself too. Too slow for that?

What sort of limitations would I be facing. The price and style/colours makes it a very tempting proposition, but without experience in anything aside from road cycling I'm weary to jump in.

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by Marin

Shrike wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:23 am
What sort of limitations would I be facing.
In my view, a bike is to the largest extent defined by rider position, tires and gearing. If you can adapt these three to your needs, you won't have any serious limitations.

Weight - 1kg will cost you about 1.3 seconds on an 8% climb with 100m of elevation gain, and it will cost you nothing on the flat.

I ride an "allroad" bike for basically everything now, from team time trials to MTB-route rides, I just swap wheels from 700x24mm to 650bx42 - and a few sizes in between just for fun :D

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by Shrike

It makes a lot of sense when you lay it out like that. I've also toyed with the idea of ditching the carbon road bike and just getting a posh all round bike to do it all. Flirted with the Open Up and Curve which I both have a thing for.

Just finished my first TT build, so maybe TT bike and all round bike would be perfect. TT for raw speed and all rounder for everything else. :)

Need to think it through...

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