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Beaumont
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by Beaumont

Maugerville wrote:
Kubackjeee wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 1:30 am
My new build - sp cycle 056
I just built one of these as well. I am just waiting on the wheelset from Elite. It des ride like a dream but I think it is a little too big. I got the large and I feel a little too streatched out for my liking, too bad after taking the time painting it. I went with Force AXS except for the Rival Quarq crank.

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Sounds good..what is the compliance of the frame and fork please? I am quite susceptible in this regard..thanks!


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Beaumont wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:42 pm
Maugerville wrote:
Kubackjeee wrote:
Wed May 08, 2024 1:30 am
My new build - sp cycle 056
I just built one of these as well. I am just waiting on the wheelset from Elite. It des ride like a dream but I think it is a little too big. I got the large and I feel a little too streatched out for my liking, too bad after taking the time painting it. I went with Force AXS except for the Rival Quarq crank.

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Sounds good..what is the compliance of the frame and fork please? I am quite susceptible in this regard..thanks!


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Bike is great and comfortable. My previous one was diverge with future shock and I don't miss it at all. But have wide carbon wheels and 5mm wider tires on my sp cycle.
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Mr.Gib
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by Mr.Gib

SP Cycle G068 Review

Here’s a build and ride summary which might help anyone considering this frameset. Note that although a fully internal/integrated version attracts most attention, this is the semi-internal version with cable ports on the downtube for mechanical shifting. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007 ... ry_from%3A

The good.
Bottom bracket – properly aligned, T47 threads good. Wheels Mfg. bb went in smooth and straight with no binding spots.
Headset – looked well formed, bearing seats were proper diameter, chunky split ring was a good fit. Headset cover was a perfect fit. On the road it was silent and solid, no binding, no re-adjustment needed after the first ride – as good as any.
Brake mounts. Properly square but paint overspray had to be removed with careful filing.
Seat post clamp and seat tube. Correct diameter, clamp felt solid and held post securely with modest torque. Checked after first ride which included some rough stuff and no re-tightening was required. No creaks or clicks over bumps. Exceptional first ride performance for a hidden wedge type seat post clamp.
Paint – gloss black, no bubbles, blobs, or obvious issues. Maybe a bit thick.

The bad
Even before purchase based on website photos I had suspicions this build might be a problem. Turns out the cable ports were simple small round holes that required both brake hose and shift housing to enter the frame at near 90 degrees. Image A nice, elongated oval, or better yet a molded angled passage is a standard requirement for mechanical builds. These guys just drilled a couple of holes. :doh: And collecting the housing through these small holes when fishing from the rear of the bike was near impossible. Even with a good routing kit, this was the most difficult work I have done on any bike. In the case of the rear brake hose port, I had to Dremel the port into an oval just to get the hose out, and resort to a spare Cannondale grommet to complete the build. Image

A further complication to rear shift housing routing was that the chainstay passageway had three catch points that required extensive manipulation to bypass. I had to resort to using a straightened clothes hanger with a roughened tip as a reaming file to smooth out the passage. Getting the housing through the chainstay and up near the exit port took over an hour of trial and error. A modified dental tool was used to coax the end through the port.

Installing the front shift housing was arguably worse. It was easy enough to route from the port to the housing stop behind the bottom bracket at the bottom of the seat tube, but the cable housing receptacle hole in the cable stop was half blocked by the carbon wall of the bb shell/seat tube wall. The cable stop is a solid grommet type that is held in place with a U bracket inside the frame. Unfortunately the stop, just doesn’t protrude deep enough into the frame to clear the frame wall leaving the critical housing receptacle hole half obstructed by the frame wall. This required Demelling away enough material from offending adjacent bb shell/seat tube wall to allow the housing to enter the stop.

The ugly.
Thru-axle dropouts – only 3 of 4 properly formed. The fork is design with adjustable offset “chips”. These reversable oval chips sit in an oval void milled out the fork. The left side void was milled too big allowing the chip to move and consequently the wheel to rattle around regardless of thru-axel torque. This renders the bike un-rideable. An email to SP Cycle was met with an immediate reply that a new fork was on the way - no questions asked. Credit to them.

To enable temporary use of the bike I was able to eliminate the play in the adjustable offset chip by strategically placing a piece of Stan’s rim tape on the chip. This bodge seems perfectly effective and is likely to hold up until the new fork arrives.
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So how does it ride?
In a word – excellent. The frame is a clone of the Canyon Grail, but with more tire clearance. I was attracted to the G068 because the geometry of the size medium, longer and lower than most, suits me well. My top priority (along with mechanical shifting) was no toe overlap. The 71.5 head angle and 55mm offset (I can switch to 50mm if I want) agrees with me. I assume the relatively low bottom bracket is a factor as well. The handling on the road in terms of response to lean and the natural turn radius in sweeping curves and other cornering situations feels just right. On the trail the performance was again excellent. During fast snaking though dense forest on smooth packed dirt, I found surprisingly easy to stay on my chosen line. Never any understeer or getting too deep into a corner or curve and having to throw out an anchor to keep it out of the bushes. On slow technical sections full of roots and rocks, I never struggled for balance or line while picking my way through the trickiest bits at very slow speed. On fast rough descents everything felt under control. Even the balance of the whole bike felt better bunny hopping over obstacles. My only comparison is a few cyclocross bikes, one of which I was using for gravel, so I am certainly no authority on gravel bikes of any sort. But on my first serious ride, I felt as comfortable with the handling of this bike as any I have ever ridden. Currently on Thundero 40mm 35 psi.

Conclusion.
It’s a great riding bike but with multiple deal breaker design quirks and construction defects. Solution - just buy the full internal version and build it electronic, preferably wireless. If you go mechanical, you’d better have MacGyver like build skills and lots of experience. No shop would touch this. They’d take one look and tell you to send it back. But it’s only 500 bucks, so there’s that. Oddly enough, even knowing what I know now, I’d buy the same bike again. I guess I love a challenge. Normally I would dread having to re-cable this thing but I ride gravel at most a dozen times per year so I should be OK for a while. Image Image
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by frnchy

Very nice! I suspected the external cable routing version of the frame would run into issues given the hole shapes, sorry to hear that was indeed the case. I got the internal routing version and it was pretty easy to build with 2 brake hoses + dropper housing (I've posted some more technical info in the 068 thread on Chinertown so I won't repeat that here). I didn't like the compression ring though - the C-shaped metal rings are scary given how easily they can damage a fork. Hope it holds up and doesn't come loose or damage the fork.

Interesting to hear about the handling with 700 x 40 tires - I'm running mine with 2 wheelsets, road 700 x 32 mm and gravel 650b x 50 mm. It feels very good as a road bike and great as a gravel bike on the smoother/less rocky stuff, but on really rocky terrain where I was crawling uphill with frequent changes in line choice, it wasn't as good as I think it could be with 700 x ~45-48 mm tires. If you move to larger 700c tires, I'd be interested to hear further impressions; I think that might be the way to go, and if I was doing like 90% gravel that's likely the direction I would've gone.

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by Mr.Gib

The headset C ring is a question mark as you point out. The encouraging bit is that the headset seems very solid - even at modest torque, there is no detectable movement when rocking the bike back and forth with the front brake locked. The fit of all the various parts is very snug. My hope is no movement equals no wear.

Re tire, for sure bigger is always better on the rough stuff. Mostly I was impressed with how predictable the front end was. The bike seemed less likely to topple one way or the other, less overcorrections, etc. Again this could be the relatively low bottom bracket. I think the geometry is brilliant (at least it works in my size).
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.

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by raisinberry777

frnchy wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2024 11:50 pm
Very nice! I suspected the external cable routing version of the frame would run into issues given the hole shapes, sorry to hear that was indeed the case. I got the internal routing version and it was pretty easy to build with 2 brake hoses + dropper housing (I've posted some more technical info in the 068 thread on Chinertown so I won't repeat that here). I didn't like the compression ring though - the C-shaped metal rings are scary given how easily they can damage a fork. Hope it holds up and doesn't come loose or damage the fork.
Mine arrived today - like yours frnchy, the colour is stunning! Absolutely love it.

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Turns out I accidentally ordered the semi-internal cable routing version and not fully routed like yours (that was on me!) but I was not fussed either way. I was a little concerned by the post above talking about issues with the holes, but doing an eTAP build it will be much easier.

I tested getting the brake line through the frame and actually found it very easy compared to the poster above - I used a much more low-tech approach of just poking my hand through the bottom of the head tube and guiding the brake line through the hole with my finger. Given the angles (and the round hole), I suspect it would be much more difficult with a magnet and internal routing kit because you'd struggle to get it through on the right angle.

It's a bit silly that the non-ICR version doesn't come with a different headset setup (since there's no point having a c-ring if there's no internal routing) but I'll start with that and see how we go - at least replacement is simple.

tiz92
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by tiz92

Hi, I would like to build myself a relative cheap gravel bike.
I am searching for gravel frame with the following characteristics:

external cable routing (as I would like to run mechanical)
31.6mm seatpost
threated bb, preferably BSA
storage space would be nice but not mandatory
around max 700€ but if I get something much nicer with just a little more its also ok
no strange features that break the frame lol

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by liam7020

raisinberry777 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:32 am


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That looks very similar to the Canyon Grail? Nice!
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by pistonbroke

Anyone have any experience with the LightCarbon LCG071?

https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon ... _p170.html

Only found a couple of references to it on here.

Will take 700x53
Weights from Chinertown...
Weights:
- frame: 1063g
- fork: 499g
- seatpost: 192g
- stem: 153g
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by dsveddy

pistonbroke wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:01 am
Anyone have any experience with the LightCarbon LCG071?

https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon ... _p170.html

Only found a couple of references to it on here.

Will take 700x53
Weights from Chinertown...
Weights:
- frame: 1063g
- fork: 499g
- seatpost: 192g
- stem: 153g
I'm one of the chinertown posters. I still use mine for CX racing. Let me know if you have any questions.

Rudi
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by Rudi

@dsveddy i'm also considering this. Is there anything you don't like about it or wish it had?

No internal storage, but that is more a nice to have for me. Massive clearance is advertised, can you confirm that is indeed the case? Or are you only running cx width tyres?

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by pistonbroke

Rudi wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:00 am
@dsveddy i'm also considering this. Is there anything you don't like about it or wish it had?

No internal storage, but that is more a nice to have for me. Massive clearance is advertised, can you confirm that is indeed the case? Or are you only running cx width tyres?
Couple of guys over at Chitown have got 2.1 ThunderBurts in this and a 696

https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5111.0.html
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dsveddy
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by dsveddy

Rudi wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:00 am
@dsveddy i'm also considering this. Is there anything you don't like about it or wish it had?

No internal storage, but that is more a nice to have for me. Massive clearance is advertised, can you confirm that is indeed the case? Or are you only running cx width tyres?
Currently running 40mm Schwalbe G-One RS with oodles of clearance.

I've been able to fit in a set of Specialized Renegade 1.95" tires, so I guess that puts me up at 50mm if you include the tread. Frame clears it easily but I was running 2x up front with an AXS front derailleur when trying it out, and the battery barely clears. So I guess the lesson is you have up to 50mm guaranteed with 2x and maybe a bit more with 1x or a different FD.

As far as things I don't like, I definitely echo the sentiments about the bad aero. This thing just doesn't hold speed like I would like it too. The tube shapes/dimensions are not unlike the legendary 1st and 2nd gen Emondas which hold the title of least aero frame ever. Now, my reference is my aero road bike with super-optimized everything, so maybe this is all in my head, but it's a sentiment I've heard other posters echo. Some other posters have also criticized the frame's stiffness, which is not an opinion I share--I think the frame is plenty stiff.

The other thing I don't love is the geometry. I like the modern geometry trends going towards steeper seat tube angles, longer top tubes, longer front-center, and this frame is pretty conservative in that regard. The other thing is that this bike has really long chainstays. Not sure if that's entirely down to the aim for clearance but you can tell with this bike when cornering.

This bike works plenty great for me racing CX, but falls short of what I am looking for in a true gravel racing rig.

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by rhs2z

I'm a roadie/CX rider who is looking for a gravel bike. I will race some gravel on it and use it as a backup CX bike.

I know all about the best chinese road bikes/wheels, but I know very little about gravel. Would someone be kind enough to tell me if there are any consensus best options for chinese gravel bikes? I see winspace has a black friday gravel deal going on right now.

This would be a huge help because I am busy right now and don't have 10 hours to read through this thread haha.

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by dsveddy

rhs2z wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:37 pm
I'm a roadie/CX rider who is looking for a gravel bike. I will race some gravel on it and use it as a backup CX bike.

I know all about the best chinese road bikes/wheels, but I know very little about gravel. Would someone be kind enough to tell me if there are any consensus best options for chinese gravel bikes? I see winspace has a black friday gravel deal going on right now.

This would be a huge help because I am busy right now and don't have 10 hours to read through this thread haha.
I don't think there really is a consensus on "best gravel race frame". The Winspace frame is definitely not it though, it's more of a bikepacking frame.

Airwolf YFR068, Carbonda CFR707, and Tideace GR201 have the 3 longest gravel frame threads on Chinertown right now. I'll give an honorable mention to Ican Graero, but note that the frame won't clear mountain bike tires that are becoming trendy in gravel

I think if you subscribe to "aero gravel" + wide tire trends that are prevailing this year, Tideace GR201 might be your best bet.

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