2025 OPEN Upper
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First pictures of the new 2025 OPEN Upper.
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Open Upper or the weird limited edition thing which doesn't share the specs of either the new or old one? Seatstay and chainstay clearance looks massive, but seat tube clearance minimal. Unfortunately it looks like seat angle is still just as slack, head angle may be a little bit less steep. But both hard to tell because of the rear wheel stand; maybe not much changed there, FC and WB still look short.
Are the BBs still garbage and the frames still regularly cracking, or better now?
Edit: I assume this is what they've now renamed the CONCE.PT - since it looks like other frames made by CarbonTeam in Portugal. €4600 +€1000 for the cockpit etc. They've now deleted their post about the new UP(PER) and limited edition half way house, which claimed they'd be different. This seems to just be the made in PT new Upper, at a price much higher than other CarbonTeam stuff (Parlee excepted - who are outrageous) ... they say in the new blog it costs twice as much to make there - which begs the question why it's so expensive, since their usual suppliers are definitely not making stuff for more than $300-400 a pop for frame and fork only. Add $300 cost, add €2000 at retail
Are the BBs still garbage and the frames still regularly cracking, or better now?
Edit: I assume this is what they've now renamed the CONCE.PT - since it looks like other frames made by CarbonTeam in Portugal. €4600 +€1000 for the cockpit etc. They've now deleted their post about the new UP(PER) and limited edition half way house, which claimed they'd be different. This seems to just be the made in PT new Upper, at a price much higher than other CarbonTeam stuff (Parlee excepted - who are outrageous) ... they say in the new blog it costs twice as much to make there - which begs the question why it's so expensive, since their usual suppliers are definitely not making stuff for more than $300-400 a pop for frame and fork only. Add $300 cost, add €2000 at retail
And seattube clearance has always been the issue with Opens. Could never fit 44s on the previous version because of it (fitted when dry, but went on a muddy ride and it scratched all the paint on the seat tube, nothing structural but will never put anything bigger than 40 or 41 again), despite massive clearance everywhere else...RDY wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:22 pmOpen Upper or the weird limited edition thing which doesn't share the specs of either the new or old one? Seatstay and chainstay clearance looks massive, but seat tube clearance minimal. Unfortunately it looks like seat angle is still just as slack, head angle may be a little bit less steep. But both hard to tell because of the rear wheel stand; maybe not much changed there, FC and WB still look short.
Are the BBs still garbage and the frames still regularly cracking, or better now?
Edit: I assume this is what they've now renamed the CONCE.PT - since it looks like other frames made by CarbonTeam in Portugal. €4600 +€1000 for the cockpit etc. They've now deleted their post about the new UP(PER) and limited edition half way house, which claimed they'd be different. This seems to just be the made in PT new Upper, at a price much higher than other CarbonTeam stuff (Parlee excepted - who are outrageous) ... they say in the new blog it costs twice as much to make there - which begs the question why it's so expensive, since their usual suppliers are definitely not making stuff for more than $300-400 a pop for frame and fork only. Add $300 cost, add €2000 at retail
Also, hate that they can't provide weight
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Raw carbon frame looks uber cool!
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CX: 2014 Bridgestone Anchor CX6 Equipe 105 rim size 55 8.9kg
That's a very ugly, obscenely expensive thing.
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For comparison, the Bike Ahead Composites THE FRAME hardtail MTB frame is under 2000€ and also manufactured at CarbonTeam in Portugal
Bike Ahead is currently developing a gravel frame of their own
Bike Ahead is currently developing a gravel frame of their own
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That’s something to keep an eye on. They make nice stuff.Aeo wrote:For comparison, the Bike Ahead Composites THE FRAME hardtail MTB frame is under 2000€ and also manufactured at CarbonTeam in Portugal
Bike Ahead is currently developing a gravel frame of their own
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That sounds very interesting! Any details about it? Will it be a conservative or progressive geometry?
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Some new renders on the Open website: https://opencycle.com/eu-en/new-upper
Edit: and geo charts for the two Concept sizes available, which will most likely be the same as UP/UPPER
Edit: and geo charts for the two Concept sizes available, which will most likely be the same as UP/UPPER
Current:
S-Works SL8 RTP | Diverge Comp Carbon
Retired:
S-Works SL7 | S-Works Venge | Ultimate CF SLX Mk IV | Ultimate CF SLX Mk III | S5 | R3 | Cento | ...
S-Works SL8 RTP | Diverge Comp Carbon
Retired:
S-Works SL7 | S-Works Venge | Ultimate CF SLX Mk IV | Ultimate CF SLX Mk III | S5 | R3 | Cento | ...
You can read more about it here: https://bike-ahead-composites.de/the-superfast-en.html
Have to use the translate feature of your browser: https://www.bike-ahead-composites.de/th ... reich.html
They also invite customer feedback what they want from the bike, scroll down for the input form
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