2024 Canyon Grail

[RoadDonk82]

I just hope there is a carbon model with a normal stem/handlebar. I currently have grail AL for a few months before I need to give it back and it's a perfect bike. Just make the frame carbon and take my money please.

[robbosmans]

You can just change it out, because this time Canyon gives their customers presumably a normal round steerer so you can use whatever stem they want! Its revolutionary! /s

[NordicSal]

I hope it's "significantly" lighter than my Endurace CF SL. Then I'm really tempted by it as a do it all bike.

[Roel W]

So this bike is the new Grail and the Grizl will remain?
All Grizl bikes with GRX components have suddenly disappaered from the site although they have been listed for a long time as 'coming soon'.

[robbosmans]

99% sure this is the new grail, reason those grx models are gone is because a grx 12s is coming out soon

[Knightyboy27]

At an event this week and been riding with a few people on this bike and had confirmation that the clearance is 42 WAM, and should be released in the next few months.

[robeambro]

At an event this week and been riding with a few people on this bike and had confirmation that the clearance is 42 WAM, and should be released in the next few months.

FNLD?

42mm WAM is definitely on the narrow side and may not suit everyone. But I understand the need for not cannibalising the Grizl.

[NordicSal]

At an event this week and been riding with a few people on this bike and had confirmation that the clearance is 42 WAM, and should be released in the next few months.

FNLD?

42mm WAM is definitely on the narrow side and may not suit everyone. But I understand the need for not cannibalising the Grizl.

What does WAM and FNLD mean?

If it has bigger clearance than that, it might as well be the new Grizl.

[AZR3]

At an event this week and been riding with a few people on this bike and had confirmation that the clearance is 42 WAM, and should be released in the next few months.

FNLD?

42mm WAM is definitely on the narrow side and may not suit everyone. But I understand the need for not cannibalising the Grizl.

What does WAM and FNLD mean?

If it has bigger clearance than that, it might as well be the new Grizl.

WAM-Width as measured

FNLD is a gravel race in Finland

[NordicSal]

Cheers. 42 WAM is perfect, not too much so it's still a racer with road tires

[Tabe]

No it's not a racer w/ roads tyres. To categorize gravel like one needs +40 tooth cassette and one by and to be pushing bike up the climbs and 47 tyres and all that....no. It's not global norm.

I saw Stetina and Vakoc had new Grail at the weekend shootout in Finland, FNLD GRVL that is, sibling race from SBT groups. Vakoc had one by and Stetina had two by, nice rigs. They both had Pirelli 40 tyres it looked too me, lightning fast hardpack course but not without quite much loose over marble or sharp small rocks and fast small rocky downhills. Maybe Ockeloen too but did not saw well.

[smartyiak]

https://bikerumor.com/canyon-gravel-cfr ... e-spotted/

Just more photos and speculation...but some of the photos are pretty good.

[Woland]

At an event this week and been riding with a few people on this bike and had confirmation that the clearance is 42 WAM, and should be released in the next few months.

42 WAM is a big miss, if true. Not sure what would prevent designing clearance for 45mm WAM. There seems to be a lot of clearance between the seat tube and the rear tire, almost Grizl-like.

This bike is on my shortlist assuming at least 45mm clearance. Now I regret not checking out the clearance in person at FNLD when I had a chance.

[robeambro]

At an event this week and been riding with a few people on this bike and had confirmation that the clearance is 42 WAM, and should be released in the next few months.

42 WAM is a big miss, if true. Not sure what would prevent designing clearance for 45mm WAM. There seems to be a lot of clearance between the seat tube and the rear tire, almost Grizl-like.

This bike is on my shortlist assuming at least 45mm clearance. Now I regret not checking out the clearance in person at FNLD when I had a chance.

In general terms it's a case of keeping the lineup distinct. Had it had space for 45mm WAM or more, there really wouldn't have been much to differentiate it from the Grizl (other than concealed cables and no fork bolt mounts) and very few people would have opted to go for a Grizl.

As a person who has a N=1 bike I also don't think it's great, but until brands go back to having just ONE gravel bike in their lineups, we can expect the situation to stay like this.

[smartyiak]

I dunno. 45 is better b/c: options. But, for me, I'd prolly not use anything wider than 42 anyways...Grizl says 50...but if I was using that, I'd prolly just hop on my mtb. With any luck, it will be like lots of bikes and will fit a bit wider than listed specs (maybe up to 45) in certain brands/models of tires.