Building WW Full-internally cable routed SuperX MY2017

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eucalyptus
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by eucalyptus

Aaa I see! Then I understand this was done possible, it already utilizes a wide upper bearing :) Mine are IS42 which is not really possible to do this with

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eucalyptus wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:10 am
Aaa I see! Then I understand this was done possible, it already utilizes a wide upper bearing :) Mine are IS42 which is not really possible to do this with
No worries!!

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Quick update 29th, Sep, 2022.

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Changed powermeter and crank arm.
From: Rotor inspider 4 arms + KCNC 4 chainring bolts + 53/36 Rotor Qrings : 288g
To: Rotor Direct Mount round ring 50/34 : 172g
Delta: -116g

Swapped pedals
From: Look Keo classic 3 : 275g
To: Assioma Uno: 281g
Delta: + 6g

Removed Tubeless tapes and put Veloplugs.
From: 18g (F and R)
To: 6.5 (45 plugs and some pieces of adhesive tape for the plug was not that snug.)
Delta: - 11.5g

Kalloy Uno 100mm -7 ==> Uno 80mm 17d
From: 109g
To: 93g
Delta: -16g

Removed Cable tension knobs on TRP spyres
-2 grams each, -4grams total

Replaced R wheel inner tube.
From: schwalbe Aerothan with 25mm valve extender: 48g
To: RideNow TPU tube 65mm valve: 30g
Delta: -18g

Total
7100 - 116 + 6 -11 -16 -4 -18 = 6941 (with pedals, 2 cages, Garmin mounts)

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<upcoming update> Going to true full internal...



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1. Purchased Ridley X night D steerer fork and appropriate D shaped compression plug.

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I know that I am crazy but could not deal with this

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image source: https://entro.com.sg/blog/blogart5
This is What I am expecting.. If the fork was in stock in last april, I could have saved my precious time not tinkering with acr and custom bearings... Dayum..


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2. Shimano 9100 mechanical with TRP spyre --> Sram red 22 Hydro mechanical with Hope RX4+

stalkersk
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You could have bought the FSA ACR stem and handlebars which allow you to route everything internally into stem.

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stalkersk wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:42 am
You could have bought the FSA ACR stem and handlebars which allow you to route everything internally into stem.
Oh thank you for your seggestion!

Yes of course I could.

However, ACR system requires specifically made stems and they are nearlly 240gramish.... it adds almost150g
The only other option is Vision metron ACR 5D stem, handlebar combo but they are quite scarce and maybe too narrow to be used on gravels.
This one also adds 50-70g according to its length and width but makes my wallet rellatively light!

What I have in mind is to use this D steerer fork for my future bikes..
any old bike with 1 1/8, 1 1/2 head tube can be converted info internal cabled ones.
I aldo ordered Shimano Discover gravel carbon bars with 400mm top, 20deg fralere, 200g and sold my current bars (spesh S works shallow bend 400mm)
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by stalkersk

Yep, that's why I went for the Vision Metron 5D ACR on my 3T Exploro. As I was searching, the Pro Vibe Evo cockpit has option for top cable routing like ACR system.

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Double post.
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7th Oct, 2022

1. Hylix 25.4 zero offset seatpost.

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Before: Tune Komm Vor & Cannondale 25mm setback carbon c1 post = 271g
Now: the gleighe sattel & Hylix post 0 offset, 100mm cut = 222g
result: -49g

Thoughts: Hylix one came as 150g and I cut 100mm for this one is unneccessarilly long to me. I shaved 27g off.
I inspected the cut section and the thickness was uniform and the total structural integrity seemed OK to me.



2. J&L light Thru axles

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Before: Syntace axles F & R = 72g
Now: J&L axles = 52g
result = -20

Thoughts: These were advertised "19g, 22g each" but the result is quite disappointing.



3. Generic, Non branded, 30 degree flared carbon bars.

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Before: S-works shallow bend 400mm = 195
Now: 30 deg flared, 400mm = 211
Result: +16g

Thoughts: At firts I thought it'd be a cheapo carbon thingy but it surprises me beacause it does not flex at all and is really well made. I will post another detailed review of it.
30 degree flare is nice but at some hooded postion, my wrists hurt a little. I will change the bar angle and do some clinical trials.

22nd, Oct 2022. I swapped back to S works shallow bend 400mm. My wrist is uncomfortable with 30deg flare..
Now: S-works shallow bend 400mm = 195
Result: 0


4. Torn Deda traforato --> 19mm width TESA cotton tape.
Before: 38g
Now: 21g
Result: -17

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Before = 6941g
NOW= 6941 - 49 - 20 +0 -17 = 6855g
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J&L thru axles, front is always around 19-22 gram. Rear is always around 29g.

So what you wrote above is probably just a typing error. So 52 gram is absolutely spot on and correct, 30g rear + 22g front! Lighter axles than this is not possible.

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eucalyptus wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:02 am
J&L thru axles, front is always around 19-22 gram. Rear is always around 29g.

So what you wrote above is probably just a typing error. So 52 gram is absolutely spot on and correct, 30g rear + 22g front! Lighter axles than this is not possible.
Thank you for correcting me, Yes "22g" is typo of 26.. I re-checked the seller's picture and spotted that he brags about 19g for front, 26g for rear.
So 45g vs 52g.. hmm I think he must have picked the lightest one among the batch. Anyway bad luck to me.

I should have searched about it thoroughly, I did not know that thre rear ones are always 30grammish. Thnak you anyway.

Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353383342824?var=622545114460

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stalkersk wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:06 pm
Yep, that's why I went for the Vision Metron 5D ACR on my 3T Exploro. As I was searching, the Pro Vibe Evo cockpit has option for top cable routing like ACR system.
Oh I saw your post recently. You fabricated custom made stem cap. Nice job. With 3D printer? maybe?

I searched for that bar again and come to know the hole behind stem clamping area is just for DI2 cable. No cables, just one electric wire.
I can not risk my safety widening the hole with my rotary tool. So I have to source another bars.

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Pyotrump wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:09 am
eucalyptus wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 8:02 am
J&L thru axles, front is always around 19-22 gram. Rear is always around 29g.

So what you wrote above is probably just a typing error. So 52 gram is absolutely spot on and correct, 30g rear + 22g front! Lighter axles than this is not possible.
Thank you for correcting me, Yes "22g" is typo of 26.. I re-checked the seller's picture and spotted that he brags about 19g for front, 26g for rear.
So 45g vs 52g.. hmm I think he must have picked the lightest one among the batch. Anyway bad luck to me.

I should have searched about it thoroughly, I did not know that thre rear ones are always 30grammish. Thnak you anyway.

Source: https://www.ebay.com/itm/353383342824?var=622545114460

The axles pictured on Ebay are probably not identical to those you have received, they use the same pictures for many different models.

Your rear axle is using a brass cone washer, the sellers pictures do not use anythign else than a thin aluminum shim :)

Yes a minor error from both of you but definitely nothing to be upset about. As I said, there are no lighter axles available than these, maybe for a good sake, you do not wanna die.

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Pyotrump wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:41 am
stalkersk wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:06 pm
Yep, that's why I went for the Vision Metron 5D ACR on my 3T Exploro. As I was searching, the Pro Vibe Evo cockpit has option for top cable routing like ACR system.
Oh I saw your post recently. You fabricated custom made stem cap. Nice job. With 3D printer? maybe?

I searched for that bar again and come to know the hole behind stem clamping area is just for DI2 cable. No cables, just one electric wire.
I can not risk my safety widening the hole with my rotary tool. So I have to source another bars.
Stem cap is original carbon cover with just groove made to allow hose to pass out from cockpit into frame. You looked at something different https://www.pro-bikegear.com/us/road/ha ... -handlebar this allows same routing as the Vison 5D ACR, look into the documentation.

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Pyotrump wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:11 pm
<upcoming update> Going to true full internal...



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1. Purchased Ridley X night D steerer fork and appropriate D shaped compression plug.

Image
I know that I am crazy but could not deal with this

Image
Image
image source: https://entro.com.sg/blog/blogart5
This is What I am expecting.. If the fork was in stock in last april, I could have saved my precious time not tinkering with acr and custom bearings... Dayum..


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2. Shimano 9100 mechanical with TRP spyre --> Sram red 22 Hydro mechanical with Hope RX4+
Very cool indeed! I'll be watching for these updates.
Kurt

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