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It's here, check out Bike radar

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/c ... oups-32306

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http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/11/bikes-and-tech/quick-look-campagnolo%e2%80%99s-11-speed-electronic-power-shift_197326

2 groupos, Super Record 2100grams and Record 2200grams but no word on price

"Gruppo", especially since we're talking Campagnolo here!

(Using mutated words with Shimano seems perhaps less of a concern)

Impressive from the look of it! Glad to see the lighter weight relative to Di2. I'm sticking with my mechanical SRAM Red, though!

It cleaned up okay, is the brain in the battery, or is that just the junction box, one wire to front, one to RD and one to FD? Just trying to figure out how hard it is to hide the battery, hopefully it can be modded so that we can hide it.

The battery does look to be in the brain, sounds expensive. I assume it is lighter because of the smaller battery and the crank.

Still think the press and hold shifting is a gimmick for the sake of difference that could bring back miss shifts.

Hiroshe connectors... good news for hackers

gerundium wrote:We will have to wait and see what the journalists say about it, because an issue like this should become apparent fairly soon.

The same journalists who were shipped en masse to Sicily for the launch? Fat chance of an honest review. That Bike Radar article says Campagnolo state riders will adapt and know with their legs, which of course is too late if you've stuffed your shifting.

I wanted to hate it and complain about how nobody needs electric shifting and how overpriced it is.

But, I love the look of it! Much better looking than DI2 IMHO, and I am sure it will work well.

The changes between Record and Super Record seem small for the price differences being quoted, but otherwise Super Record looks great.

I have heard a rumour that because of limited supply you will a) have to buy a complete groupset (including the mechanical bits that you probably already own) and b) will have to buy it through a Campagnolo Service Centre so that they can set it up (because it is not easy) which means no online bargains.

My only problem is that I have externally routed frames, and there isn't a neat solution to wiring without internal routing.

I think the group looks great, to be expected to campy. But, I'm skeptical about the hold down shifting too. It seems like actually reverting back to non-indexed shifts. Might as well just put some downtube shifters on and call it a day.

Disagree. Remember the old Shimano STI systems had gear indicators. Turns out you don't need gear indicators to shift with brifters, and Campy and SRAM failed to follow the Shimano example. Same here: I think riders generally know what gear they're in.

solarider wrote:I wanted to hate it and complain about how nobody needs electric shifting and how overpriced it is...

What?!... and leave me all alone floundering in a sea of electronic progress...
Just kidding... sort of... I know this has been debated ad nauseum, just saying that for all I like about the bicycle in general, this is one advance that so far at least leaves me completely unenthused. Campy or Shimano, doesn't matter. Don't misunderstand me however, as I don't ever want to give back my fancy computers and technology in virtually every other facet of life. Just thought it might be kinda nice if we could leave the bicycle alone for a little while longer. But I guess not. Oh well... carry on...

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Not sure how useful the .117 sec. faster rear shifting would be. :confused:

Di2 shifting is very slow compared to analog. They're claiming that their [Campagnolo's] electronic is faster than analog.

I'd like to see that claim backed up with some testing, since analog is virtually 0.000 seconds by the simple concept of: once you pull on a cable, that cable is pulling on something and mechanical system are direct actions, not delayed.

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euan wrote:

gerundium wrote:We will have to wait and see what the journalists say about it, because an issue like this should become apparent fairly soon.

The same journalists who were shipped en masse to Sicily for the launch? Fat chance of an honest review. That Bike Radar article says Campagnolo state riders will adapt and know with their legs, which of course is too late if you've stuffed your shifting.

Shimano wasn't too happy about my Ultegra Di2 story, where they "shipped me" to Switzerland. Some of us have integrity, you know. Lennard is over there for us, and I'm sure he'll point out any obvious flaws. Though with a product that took this long to come to market, I doubt he'll find any on the first ride.