Should I upgrade to SRAM RED cassette?

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revgilliam
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by revgilliam

Hello guys,

When I ordered my bike I had the groupo changed from SRAM RIVAL to Force. But Being new to all this I did not upgrade the cassette and left it Rival.

I'm trying to "lose" more weight. Is it worth the money to upgrade the cassette also?

If so should I go with the Force cassette or the even lighter Red cassette?

Is it worth the money?

Thanks everybody and a have a great day!

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jmilliron
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by jmilliron

It's a good bit lighter but it's noticeably more noisy. I have a 1090 on my race wheels and 1070 on my training wheels.

Do a search, lots of info on this.
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superleggera
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by superleggera

Yes. Its quite a bit lighter. Some say it does not shift well, but I have not had any problems. But it also depends on what else is on your bike. If you are riding heavy wheels, that should be your priority.

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by nitropowered

There is no "Force" cassette.

Most likely you have a 1070 cassette which is essentially Force level. Sram did introduce a 1050 cassette last year. I would get a 1090/Red cassette if they actually offered useful gear ratios. Specifically a 12-23 and 12-25or26.

revgilliam
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by revgilliam

I do have heavy wheels. I'm running Mavic Equipe wheels at 1690 grams claimed wait. So I should upgrade those first?

Thanks for the info.

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OrPe
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by OrPe

yes.


Do the wheels first... better chance for weight savings (say, 1450g wheelset is not ultralight and saves you 240g, much more than the cassette swap).

of course, this would cost more... but have better effect (upon weight and ride)..my .02$

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by 1415chris

Think about very end which is the most important in rotation weight, the tires first.

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by Gearhead65

I've had Red and Force (whatever) on my bike and recently switched to Ultegra. Will never go back to SRAM cassettes even though l love the rest the gruppo. SO much quieter and better shifting. Using a KMC chain.
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by Johnny Rad

As a long time DA7800/7700 cassette user, I've got no issues today with my current Red cassettes and KMC X10SL chain.

For one, Red is lighter. Secondly, the shifting quality on the cassette is every bit as good with Red as DA. Third, any additional noise from the Red cassette isn't enough to bother me and I don't say that lightly as a super freak for a clean, quiet, well-tuned drivetrain.

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by notjhh

Regarding noise... has anyone tried a SRAM chain before switching to KMC? I had a Red cassette at first, and eventually got sick of the noise so I swapped it for an Ultegra I had lying around - but it's still a little noisy. Will switching out the chain to a KMC solve this?

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I tried the SRAM chain and switched to KMC. Not only did KMC shift better but was much quieter. Two thumbs up for KMC. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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revgilliam
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by revgilliam

rjk8 wrote:I tried the SRAM chain and switched to KMC. Not only did KMC shift better but was much quieter. Two thumbs up for KMC. :thumbup: :thumbup:


I need to do more research! I've never even heard of KMC products. I'll look into them.

So I still take it the wheels should be first and the cassette later?

What do you guys think about SOUL wheels? S2.0 at 1,330g or the 4.0 at 1,390g??

Again a huge thank you for helping "the new guy".

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revgilliam wrote:So I still take it the wheels should be first and the cassette later?

What do you guys think about SOUL wheels? S2.0 at 1,330g or the 4.0 at 1,390g??

Again a huge thank you for helping "the new guy".


Wheels are a nice investment and can completely change the way the bike feels - I'd definitely get those before I worried about the cassette and chain. If you really want to go nuts with the weight savings you can get a Recon cassette, which weighs even less than the Red one (I've never used one so I can't say how durable it is).

Both of the Soul wheelsets look like a good deal (especially the S2.0), but you can build your own for less money and they'll be lighter.

geebee2
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by geebee2

I recently upgraded from a "Force" to Red cassette, and say yes, go for it.

I really like the Red cassette, it's light but durable, and easy to keep clean, a thing of beauty.

Haven't noticed any noise at all.

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by StuTheWeak

All the refined members of our society use Red cassettes. While the bottom feeders only use 1050...1070 if they get a tax refund check. While of course those who ride 1090 don't pay taxes cause we are the elite.

With that said there's better places to shave wait for a larger return on investment. Wheels aren't the cheapest place to save weight. Bet it will cost you $4 per gram of weight savings at best.

Saddle, stem, bars, seatpost...those will probably run you less per-gram-of-savings...

Chinese carbon saddle $70:100g
Chinese carbon seartpost $60:210g
Token carbon bar $179:169g (40cm)
Ritchey Stem $69:130g (130mm)

That's $380 and over a descent stock rig a savings of at least 500g!!! For a really cheap bike you'd be saving at least 650g over stock!

Try and save 500 grams with a $380 wheelset :lol:
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