Wow, you're criticising him for that. Really?avispa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:40 pmI don't want to turn this thread into I HATE/I LOVE DC RAINMAKER, but, I lean towards ParisCarbon. Here's an example:
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/10/ann ... tions.html
Go to discussion post #337 The response from Ray is not the best and of someone that has not really done a full "in-depth" review on things. IMO.
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Good point! I only compared them with models often mentioned here because of their weight and favorable cost. With what appears to be a race to the bottom in the powermeter market, it's important to that we remember consistent and reliable performance is paramount.refthimos wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:54 pmWhy would you compare SRM to these? I've owned several SRMs and they were all fine, well other than the one that failed just weeks after I purchased it (direct from SRM). SRM did fix it of course. But after a while, I tired of the magnet requirement and having to send my PM away for several weeks at some expense just to swap the battery.
If you compare SRM to the current offerings from Quarq, Power2Max, Rotor 2Inpower, etc, you will likely find far fewer horror stories. I would choose any of these three over SRM.
As a campy user, I had limited choices for keeping a campagnolo cranksets outside of P2M and SRM and pedals. I have no experience with the Rotor but I heave heard good feedback. Hope that clarifies my position.
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Supposedly there is a L/R balance issue originally reported by Ben Delaney of BikeRadar, but also noted by other reviewers.
Other than that, like the SRM units, it boils down to price and archaic design decisions like the use of a magnet for cadence measurement. It's a tired old argument, but who wants to pay in excess of $1500 for a power meter anymore? $1000 gets you dual-sided measurement, easy install/removal, Cycling Dynamics, etc. $800 gets you that minus Cycling Dynamics. There are even cheaper options like P2M or the PowerTap C1.
Ray is pretty well respected in the industry and for good reason. I am not a friend of his but I had lunch with him at Eurobike as I have developed products he has reviewed. He has offered both positive and negative criticism of products I have worked on and I have always found him objective.TobinHatesYou wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:19 amIt's especially funny because that's precisely what DCR's comments section has evolved into...a place for feedback and discourse between readers, Ray and lots of brand reps.
What about Potenza crank arm? https://4iiii-innovations.myshopify.com ... 7326902278Seedster wrote:Good point! I only compared them with models often mentioned here because of their weight and favorable cost. With what appears to be a race to the bottom in the powermeter market, it's important to that we remember consistent and reliable performance is paramount.refthimos wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:54 pmWhy would you compare SRM to these? I've owned several SRMs and they were all fine, well other than the one that failed just weeks after I purchased it (direct from SRM). SRM did fix it of course. But after a while, I tired of the magnet requirement and having to send my PM away for several weeks at some expense just to swap the battery.
If you compare SRM to the current offerings from Quarq, Power2Max, Rotor 2Inpower, etc, you will likely find far fewer horror stories. I would choose any of these three over SRM.
As a campy user, I had limited choices for keeping a campagnolo cranksets outside of P2M and SRM and pedals. I have no experience with the Rotor but I heave heard good feedback. Hope that clarifies my position.
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I believe this work with potenza crankarms because they are not carbon fiber. I am using record cranks and they are carbon. It is my understanding that the material makes it difficult to retrofit a powermeter such as stages, which is what led to their delayed rollout.
I honestly think that's the correct way to approach it. He hasn't experienced any of the issues because he hasn't used the equipment but he hasn't heard of any either so he hasn't even explored it.avispa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:40 pmI don't want to turn this thread into I HATE/I LOVE DC RAINMAKER, but, I lean towards ParisCarbon. Here's an example:
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/10/ann ... tions.html
Go to discussion post #337 The response from Ray is not the best and of someone that has not really done a full "in-depth" review on things. IMO.
He never denied it being an issue, just that he hasn't encountered it before.
Pretty objective to me. I'm sure if it popped up more he'd either inquire with Wahoo or test it out himself.
I'd say he's the most objective reviewer I've ever come across in both the ski and bike world.
But back on topic, I wish SRM would come out with a more price-point friendly option. I'm not sure what functions they could remove to make it worthwhile, but it'd probably outsell most other options so long as it was dual-sided and reliable given their name and reputation.
This L/R balance thing is getting old fast. Aside from athletes with physiological impediments like hip alignment/serious leg length discrepancy/missing appendage, how exactly does one approach correcting for these minor imbalances that have most likely persisted for the life time of the rider? Sure the magnet thing is a valid point, but having switched to Shimano PM's from SRM, 3 of which need to be sent in for battery replacement/calibration/firmware updates, I really appreciate being able to recharge batteries, not to mention update firmware from my smartphone at my leisure and for no additional charge!TobinHatesYou wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:35 amSupposedly there is a L/R balance issue originally reported by Ben Delaney of BikeRadar, but also noted by other reviewers.
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You can choose to ignore the L/R balance inaccuracy, but it’s still an issue.
A L/R imbalance is sometimes a sign of a leg length discrepancy and it can be fixed with wedges or orthotics. It can also be exacerbated by too high of a saddle.
A L/R imbalance is sometimes a sign of a leg length discrepancy and it can be fixed with wedges or orthotics. It can also be exacerbated by too high of a saddle.
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I sort of touched on that in my previous post and while I agree with the sentiment, I have already read questions on how to fix a 48/52 imbalance!TobinHatesYou wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:49 pmA L/R imbalance is sometimes a sign of a leg length discrepancy and it can be fixed with wedges or orthotics. It can also be exacerbated by too high of a saddle.
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I think most cyclists (at least forumites) tend to like numbers and we want all of them to be important. Even taking into account the possibility of a leg length discrepancy or some type of imbalance - once you take some sort of corrective measure (like orthotics), assuming there's even an option, you're left with no need for l/r balance as far as I'm concerned. Or you're like myself who's had PMs with L/R balance, learned that there is no imbalance to be concerned with, and no longer has that as a PM requirement. Sure does open up options for PM if I ever want them!
It's hard enough just being a snob about weight and aesthetics...
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