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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:50 pm
by PsyDoc
...I am glad to hear that Merlin's QC has gotten better, though I am skeptical that the Merlin Magia has the HIGHEST tolarances and quality in the industry. I was an loyal Merlin customer up until 2001 when I tried on three separate occasions to purchase a new Merlin Extralight from Excel Sports, but each frame was defective in one or more ways. I was so dismayed that I sent a letter to Mark Lynskey on September 26th, 2001 that apparently did have an impact as I heard from Excel Sports and Tom Kellogg.

You are right, William R-O-C-K-S. I have dealt with him and he is one of the most professional individuals I have encountered. Also, he does one of the best, if not THE best, packaging jobs in the industry.

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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:32 pm
by divve
With Campagnolo and Shimano you wouldn't have the spacer problem to begin with. Also, I'm rather puzzled by your statement that ZG brakes offer superior braking performance to anything available.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:32 pm
by Superlite
Also, I'm rather puzzled by your statement that ZG brakes offer superior braking performance to anything available.


Zero G's generate more clamping force then any other brakes calipers in existence, hence superior braking power to anything. :D

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:10 pm
by divve
Highest clamping force isn't directly related to good braking. Neither do ZG have the highest clamping force for that matter. Not saying the ZG don't brake okay. Just not the best.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:12 pm
by Superlite
Highest clamping force isn't directly related to good braking. Neither do ZG have the highest clamping force for that matter. Not saying the ZG don't brake okay. Just not the best.


Zero G's were tested to have the highest clamping force, so what are you talking about?

Higher clamping force with same pads in a test means superior braking power.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:50 pm
by sharkman
Superlite, divve say something about the relation of braking powers to what makes a brake good. I agree with him on the fact that clamping force is only one of the things that makes a good brake.
If braking power was everything, every bike (at least every MTB's would have Downhill Brembo or hope diskbrakes (but since these brakes generate so much power they are no suited for anything but downhill)

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:55 pm
by divve
Tested by whom? Certainly not the numbers I've seen and actual use shows this.

Highest clamping force doesn't indicate anything about the power curve of that force. It could simply mean on and off with nothing in between.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:10 pm
by honda
Superlight, if the test you mentioned is available on-line, would you please list the URL? I am interested not only in the force generated by ZG's, but also if Campy and Shimano would be listed. I have always wondered how the big 2 stack up against each other.
Thank you.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:35 pm
by Superlite
Divve wrote

Tested by whom? Certainly not the numbers I've seen and actual use shows this.

Highest clamping force doesn't indicate anything about the power curve of that force. It could simply mean on and off with nothing in between.


If you do a test with different brakes, all with the same pad compound the brakes generating the highest clamping force is going to slow down the wheel faster then the others, what don't you guys get about that? Were not talking about a car with different diameter rotors, rotor thicknesses, vented or solid discs, 4 piston calipers or what ever.

In something like a bicycle road brake caliper the only things that are going to show braking power are related to pad compound, clamping force, and rim surface. You put a control test in place so the rim and pad compound are the same the only variable left is the clamping force. More force, more stopping power. Pretty simple.

Honda, the test was done by Zero G, they have about %6 more stopping power then DA 7800.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:13 pm
by divve
Yeah...here's another good one for you.....and with two equal wheel builds, the one with the highest spoke tension will be the stiffest.

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:19 pm
by Superlite
Yeah...here's another good one for you.....and with two equal wheel builds, the one with the highest spoke tension will be the stiffest.


Sarcasim isn't your strong suit. :lol:

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:58 pm
by honda
Superlite,
got it, thank you.