Scott Question concering OEM

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ShinyBaldy
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by ShinyBaldy

While I was back in Taiwan for vacation - I took a chance to visit Giant in Taichung (the home base).

I saw SCOTT mtbs and road bikes in the factory store... asked about it and found out that Giant is SCOTT's sole distributor in Taiwan... due to it being the OEM for SCOTT's mtb and road frames.

:D :D :D :D so uh - what does the sticker say on the frames?

dlight
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by dlight

Are you saying Giant makes Scott frame? They look different to me. Two different philosophy of build. I think, not sure now.

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by sharkman

They both got their own moulds but probably the same plant. However I know that the complete CR1 bikes are assembled on the Giant production line (Scott is relatively small compared to Giant)

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by ShinyBaldy

dlight wrote:Are you saying Giant makes Scott frame? They look different to me. Two different philosophy of build. I think, not sure now.


that's what being an OEM is... Giant and Merida builds a bunch of bikes for other companies... and Giant being one of the very few (if not the only) manufactour that owns it own fibre plant.... makes me wonder if it is indeed true that Scott frames are manufacturered in Giant's plants.

(Nothing wrong with it - I'm all for capitalism and let the best manufacturers provide the best goods at the best prices, where it is made is irrevelent to me).

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by mrowkoob

ShinyBaldy wrote:
dlight wrote:Are you saying Giant makes Scott frame? They look different to me. Two different philosophy of build. I think, not sure now.


that's what being an OEM is... Giant and Merida builds a bunch of bikes for other companies... and Giant being one of the very few (if not the only) manufactour that owns it own fibre plant.... makes me wonder if it is indeed true that Scott frames are manufacturered in Giant's plants.

(Nothing wrong with it - I'm all for capitalism and let the best manufacturers provide the best goods at the best prices, where it is made is irrevelent to me).
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If anything it is reassuring to me. The TCR and Giant carbon programme is well tested and extensive if that knowledge is used while producing a Scott like the Cr1 I own that´s just fine with me. 8)

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by dlight

My only worries are that My TCR is a bit flexy, and I'm interested in the Scott since it's not suppose to be as flexy and is suppose to be stiffer. With a recent increase in price for the US Scott frames, I wonder if the Giant will increase in price also. Although their weights comes close to each other, mere coincidence? All for capitalism only for the good of the consumer.

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by Pantani

:twisted: Interested to see the comment about the flexy Giant. I have a TCR Componsite and a Kuota Khan (as well as a Merlin etc). There is a distinct difference in the stiffnes of the Giant V the Kuota (never mind the Merlin). Does anyone have similar experience?

PS Still cant beat the Giant as a climbing bike though.

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by sungerdds

The tcr does seem to have more flex then the cr1 which is very stiff and tight(haven't tried the tcr advanced) With either giant you put an extra once of wgt(and flex) on the longer seat tube compared to the scott. does anyone know the scoop on nano carbonfiber? supposedly 30% stronger, and yet the tcr advanced and the easton 90 carbon which claim to be nano are slightly heavier then the scott cr1 and controltech post which are not advertised as nano carbon-???

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sungerdds wrote:The tcr does seem to have more flex then the cr1 which is very stiff and tight(haven't tried the tcr advanced) With either giant you put an extra once of wgt(and flex) on the longer seat tube compared to the scott. does anyone know the scoop on nano carbonfiber? supposedly 30% stronger, and yet the tcr advanced and the easton 90 carbon which claim to be nano are slightly heavier then the scott cr1 and controltech post which are not advertised as nano carbon-???


from what i understand carbon nano tubes are VERY EXPENSIVE :!: and still not practical. i am no expert but i think its just marketing. CNT is great dont get me wrong; it has alot of uses once they get rolling and find a way to make production feasable, but till then...

ShinyBaldy
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by ShinyBaldy

sungerdds wrote:The tcr does seem to have more flex then the cr1 which is very stiff and tight(haven't tried the tcr advanced) With either giant you put an extra once of wgt(and flex) on the longer seat tube compared to the scott. does anyone know the scoop on nano carbonfiber? supposedly 30% stronger, and yet the tcr advanced and the easton 90 carbon which claim to be nano are slightly heavier then the scott cr1 and controltech post which are not advertised as nano carbon-???


uh - where did u see that TCR Advanced used nanofibres?

TCR Advanced used nano resins for the laminates, the nano fibers aren't being used in any real applications at the moment - still at the R&D stage in a largely academic setting. It'll take a while before anyone in the bicycle industry gets to really use the benefits of nanofibers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotubes
quite basic info at a touch of a button

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by sungerdds

thanks for the link- very clear. i read in a big article in Velonews on the tcr advanced about 5 months ago that the frame used nano tech and that was why it could come in at 830g. obviously both statements were wrong- almost ordered a frame after riding a regular tcr and loving the "advanced" claimed wgt.and supposed stiffness. tcr advanced is now being adveritsed at 900g and i wouldn't be surprized if when it comes out its heavier than that. shows that velonews needs to not report as fact everything a manufacturer claims before a product is even on the market. Also realize that early prototypes wgts are often not the wgt of the final product.

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by ShinyBaldy

sungerdds wrote:thanks for the link- very clear. i read in a big article in Velonews on the tcr advanced about 5 months ago that the frame used nano tech and that was why it could come in at 830g. obviously both statements were wrong- almost ordered a frame after riding a regular tcr and loving the "advanced" claimed wgt.and supposed stiffness. tcr advanced is now being adveritsed at 900g and i wouldn't be surprized if when it comes out its heavier than that. shows that velonews needs to not report as fact everything a manufacturer claims before a product is even on the market. Also realize that early prototypes wgts are often not the wgt of the final product.


Magazines do the worst reviews - only you can decide for yourself. You ride the way you ride and you feel the way you do on a bike. If magazines have anything to do with introducting a product - they should wasting time doing reviews and just post a bunch of pictures for bike porn. And stop repeating the manufacturer's marketing department because half the time they get it wrong anyway.

How often do we read crap about how carbon composites somehow magically reduce road buzz (as if some how the material is stiffer lighter than everything else but at the same time selectively chooses to eliminate the vibration from the ground up! AI?).

As regarding the weight of TCR Advanced - I'll have to get a few samples of the different models and measure them at different sizes before I'll write a weight down ;) Any donations? I'll take the integrated seatpost ver from Europe sales and the nonintergrated from US please!

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