Addict RC 2025

[SashaJoseph]

The last few years, I had the impression that brands were more and more offering "race bikes" with reasonable geometries to better suit the needs of their core customers (not young racers but rather not so flexible middle-aged men, like myself).

I have ridden a few race bikes lately (Factor Ostro, Canyon Aeroad, previous version of Scott Addict) and all had a roughly similar stack and reach: for a 56 size, stack around 565mm and reach around 395mm. With a few spacers, this geometry is ok for me.

In the same size, this new addict has a 403mm reach. I don't think that I have seen any 56 bike with such a long reach in the recent production...

I tend to think that 403mm reach is too long for me. I would need a 90mm stem to reproduce the position I currently have. And I am not sure I like the look of a short stem on a long frame... That's a pity because, except for the reach issue, this bike ticked all the boxes...

It is also more than 10mm lower (less stack and the new -11º stem) and the 56 comes with a 110mm stem - good look getting availability of a shorter one.

Well, that condemns the addict RC definitively... let's wait for the next cervelo R5 or Canyon Ultimate then!

[RDY]

They've oddly gone in the opposite direction of sense and recent trends. Lengthening but not slackening the head angle (actually they steepened it) and not steepening the seat angle. But sense seems to be something Scott are seriously short of, this being their third steerer standard in 3 drop bar models. That and making things that people want to buy (Addict Gravel) and having no stock for years, or want to buy until they find out it's hookless and a 9-12 month wait (Capital SL). If the Korean parent finally has rested back control, hopefully the future will be a bit less stupid.

[KalleWirsch]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

[pmprego]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

Based on myself but most importantly what I see around me (lots of spacers in town), there are almost no bikes in the market for that majority of people.

[toxin]

Team DSM is on Willier next year, so this doesn't matter for them

Ah, wasn't aware. Is Scott not supplying bikes to any WT team next year then?

I thought they were going to be on Lapierre not Wilier? Some major rumors going round currently. We shall see, I may be at the team camp in January

No WT team but they still have Q36.5 in PT.

Yes, dsm are going to Lapierre.

Q36.5 might go Pinarello at some point as the main investor in Q36.5 the brand and the team bought majority stake in pinarello last year.

[spartan]

when you don't sponsor a WT team you can lower cost for consumers. 9k for a dura ace bike with a 700gm frame. trek/spec gets you ultegra di2 LOL

Team DSM is on Willier next year, so this doesn't matter for them

Ah, wasn't aware. Is Scott not supplying bikes to any WT team next year then?

I thought they were going to be on Lapierre not Wilier? Some major rumors going round currently. We shall see, I may be at the team camp in January

No WT team but they still have Q36.5 in PT.

Yes, dsm are going to Lapierre.

Q36.5 might go Pinarello at some point as the main investor in Q36.5 the brand and the team bought majority stake in pinarello last year.

[Lakal]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

This bike fits more than semipros/pros. I am not a semipro/pro and I would still need a 130mm stem just to get in a decent race position on this bike.

[ice29]

Is RC10 the best deal? I see that some online stores (bike-room) have them already with estimated shipping mid December (though I find hard to believe they can really ship them)
RC10 vs Pro is just the groupset (ultegra vs dura), where I would replace the crankset anyway and cassette is easily upgraded when it's done (the difference in the rest of groupset between dura and ultegra is marginal)... Both get 1.0s wheelset (with DT240 hubs) and carbon combo... I hate the Ultimate/RC10 black color (looks super cheap), would then go for the yellow RC10 maybe. It's a pity the best colors are RC30, but you have to change a lot on the bike (then I would rather just buy the frame and build it myself)

[TobinHatesYou]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

I'd already be using a 170mm/-16deg Velobike Elite Longboi on a 52cm Addict RC just like I use on my 54cm Domane RSL. On something like a Domane SLR, I'd be using a theoretical 200mm/-30deg stem. I wouldn't be able to get low because the steerer would be piercing my sternum. While most racers haven’t gone this extreme yet, we are definitely progressing to a point where a 54/medium sized race bike should have 415-420mm reach instead of the 384-390mm reach we typically see.

Scott doesn't need to make the Addict RC taller, they actually need to make it longer and also come out with an updated non-RC version with a more upright STR ratio.

[pmprego]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

I'd already be using a 170mm/-16deg Velobike Elite Longboi on a 52cm Addict RC just like I use on my 54cm Domane RSL. On something like a Domane SLR, I'd be using a theoretical 200mm/-30deg stem. I wouldn't be able to get low because the steerer would be piercing my sternum. While most racers haven’t gone this extreme yet, we are definitely progressing to a point where a 54/medium sized race bike should have 415-420mm reach instead of the 384-390mm reach we typically see.

Scott doesn't need to make the Addict RC taller, they actually need to make it longer and also come out with an updated non-RC version with a more upright STR ratio.

I'm not arguing that you don't need what you need. But you have to recognize that you are an extreme outlier (I know .. using two words that are somewhat equivalente just to reinforce my case).

What I see people riding is bikes with 40-45mm spacers height and still being very long (for instance... No way using the drops or a puppy paw posture). It's extremely rare to see a slammed 120mm stem (I actually cant remember a illustrative example around me).

The majority of people need more relaxed bikes. Somehow manufacturers have been able to get by selling them bikes they shouldn't be riding.

[cnishikigi1]

That geometry isn't very friendly. I know THY like this, but i asked the best rider i know of his take on the longer geo bikes and,... he says he needs to shorten his cockpit. Not sure i think Scott did a smart move on that one. If you check with bike fitters, they can easily disclose how many Specialized, Scott and Trek goes out from the store with zero spacers or the contrary.

It seems the frame has a common stack but a crazy reach that is at least 1 size up. I don't know if the wisest thing to do about this bike would be to run a lot of spacers on a smaller bike or a super short stem on a regular sized bike. As I personally use a 90 mm stem on a size 54 aero bike, it seems rather unfriendly if I would need a 80 mm to ride this bike.

[TobinHatesYou]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

I'd already be using a 170mm/-16deg Velobike Elite Longboi on a 52cm Addict RC just like I use on my 54cm Domane RSL. On something like a Domane SLR, I'd be using a theoretical 200mm/-30deg stem. I wouldn't be able to get low because the steerer would be piercing my sternum. While most racers haven’t gone this extreme yet, we are definitely progressing to a point where a 54/medium sized race bike should have 415-420mm reach instead of the 384-390mm reach we typically see.

Scott doesn't need to make the Addict RC taller, they actually need to make it longer and also come out with an updated non-RC version with a more upright STR ratio.

I'm not arguing that you don't need what you need. But you have to recognize that you are an extreme outlier (I know .. using two words that are somewhat equivalente just to reinforce my case).

What I see people riding is bikes with 40-45mm spacers height and still being very long (for instance... No way using the drops or a puppy paw posture). It's extremely rare to see a slammed 120mm stem (I actually cant remember a illustrative example around me).

The majority of people need more relaxed bikes. Somehow manufacturers have been able to get by selling them bikes they shouldn't be riding.

Did you not read beyond the first sentence of my reply? I admit that I am and outlier, but you almost must admit that actual race fits are getting more aggressive. Look at van Schip, Hesters, Sam Boardman, Jonas Rutsch, etc. These guys are just the early adopters, more will follow.

It's crazy-talk to cry about how the Addict RC has to be taller when the non-RC update will presumably be the exact bike you all are clamoring for. The non-RC Addict exists. The Dogma X exists. The Endurace exists. These are all no-compromise "racey" bikes with more forgiving STR. Why is everyone so adamant that race bikes need to disappear?

[pmprego]

That geometry isn't very friendly. I know THY like this, but i asked the best rider i know of his take on the longer geo bikes and,... he says he needs to shorten his cockpit. Not sure i think Scott did a smart move on that one. If you check with bike fitters, they can easily disclose how many Specialized, Scott and Trek goes out from the store with zero spacers or the contrary.

It seems the frame has a common stack but a crazy reach that is at least 1 size up. I don't know if the wisest thing to do about this bike would be to run a lot of spacers on a smaller bike or a super short stem on a regular sized bike. As I personally use a 90 mm stem on a size 54 aero bike, it seems rather unfriendly if I would need a 80 mm to ride this bike.

People need to go beyond stack. Take out 10mm in effective stack due to their now -11° stem.

Edited to comment on Tobin: I know you said that. You are an outlier within extreme cases. But I don't see how companies can survive producing bikes for outliers (not you which is the extreme within those).

There are interesting endurance bikes but apart from the canyon one, very few if any go for the lightweight aero approach.

You don't have a relaxed geo madone, tarmac, S5, ostro vam. It's because of this people want to get "rid" of the racing bike.

You give them these that I named and people will stop asking for the death of the racing bike

[cnishikigi1]

That geometry isn't very friendly. I know THY like this, but i asked the best rider i know of his take on the longer geo bikes and,... he says he needs to shorten his cockpit. Not sure i think Scott did a smart move on that one. If you check with bike fitters, they can easily disclose how many Specialized, Scott and Trek goes out from the store with zero spacers or the contrary.

It seems the frame has a common stack but a crazy reach that is at least 1 size up. I don't know if the wisest thing to do about this bike would be to run a lot of spacers on a smaller bike or a super short stem on a regular sized bike. As I personally use a 90 mm stem on a size 54 aero bike, it seems rather unfriendly if I would need a 80 mm to ride this bike.

People need to go beyond stack. Take out 10mm in effective stack due to their now -11° stem.

Edited to comment on Tobin: I know you said that. You are an outlier within extreme cases. But I don't see how companies can survive producing bikes for outliers (not you which is the extreme within those).

Yeah you're right about the math. Just makes it even more unfriendly. To be honest I was so shocked when I first saw foil's geometry table and this new addict is doing the exact same thing. While foil can go with a ton of spacers and still look actually fine, I don't know if it works on this addict. Their crazy reach might be somehow compensated by a zero setback seatpost and a more front-leaning riding position, which I don't dare try on my own bike unless I get a new fit with the fitter.

[pmprego]

That geometry isn't very friendly. I know THY like this, but i asked the best rider i know of his take on the longer geo bikes and,... he says he needs to shorten his cockpit. Not sure i think Scott did a smart move on that one. If you check with bike fitters, they can easily disclose how many Specialized, Scott and Trek goes out from the store with zero spacers or the contrary.

It seems the frame has a common stack but a crazy reach that is at least 1 size up. I don't know if the wisest thing to do about this bike would be to run a lot of spacers on a smaller bike or a super short stem on a regular sized bike. As I personally use a 90 mm stem on a size 54 aero bike, it seems rather unfriendly if I would need a 80 mm to ride this bike.

People need to go beyond stack. Take out 10mm in effective stack due to their now -11° stem.

Edited to comment on Tobin: I know you said that. You are an outlier within extreme cases. But I don't see how companies can survive producing bikes for outliers (not you which is the extreme within those).

Yeah you're right about the math. Just makes it even more unfriendly. To be honest I was so shocked when I first saw foil's geometry table and this new addict is doing the exact same thing. While foil can go with a ton of spacers and still look actually fine, I don't know if it works on this addict. Their crazy reach might be somehow compensated by a zero setback seatpost and a more front-leaning riding position, which I don't dare try on my own bike unless I get a new fit with the fitter.

Size M and below already come with a 5mm setback seatpost. You won't gain much with a zero setback.