Addict RC 2025

[jayjay]

Maybe the regular Addict will get the new layup the way Giant did with the Defy.

Fingers crossed

[Kurt1980]

I see this as the climbing bike to complement the aero bike, designed around actual pro levels of fit and flexibility. To be raced at the highest level.

Why would a pro choose the Addict RC, which they need to add ~1kg of artificial weight to in order to be UCI legal, over an aero bike that's already at the UCI legal limit? There's no benefit in them choosing the Addict RC in that situation?

Therefore, I see this being targeted more to cyclists outside the pro peloton, it's just a shame about the race-focused geo (low stack, long reach).

I appreciate the attention to detail (in particular the HQ carbon finish inside the frame and fork) and engineering Scott has put into making this bike as light the lightest rim-brake bikes from the 2010s. Reminds me a lot of the Supersix Evo Ultimate that came out around 2012, which IIRC was around the same weight as the Addict RC but used a sub 1kg tubular DT swiss wheelset to get there.

You choose the Addict RC for the mountain stages and then you stick 80mm wheels on them. You'll have the most aero bike that actually hits the 6.8kg lower limit in all sizes.

Exactly.

[robeambro]

I see this as the climbing bike to complement the aero bike, designed around actual pro levels of fit and flexibility. To be raced at the highest level.

Why would a pro choose the Addict RC, which they need to add ~1kg of artificial weight to in order to be UCI legal, over an aero bike that's already at the UCI legal limit? There's no benefit in them choosing the Addict RC in that situation?

Therefore, I see this being targeted more to cyclists outside the pro peloton, it's just a shame about the race-focused geo (low stack, long reach).

I appreciate the attention to detail (in particular the HQ carbon finish inside the frame and fork) and engineering Scott has put into making this bike as light the lightest rim-brake bikes from the 2010s. Reminds me a lot of the Supersix Evo Ultimate that came out around 2012, which IIRC was around the same weight as the Addict RC but used a sub 1kg tubular DT swiss wheelset to get there.

You choose the Addict RC for the mountain stages and then you stick 80mm wheels on them. You'll have the most aero bike that actually hits the 6.8kg lower limit in all sizes.

Conceptually, yes. Practically, Shimano doesn't make an 80mm wheelset, nor does Syncros. So team DSM would not quite achieve this. Amateurs, on the other hand..

[LOWIEV]

Team DSM is on Willier next year, so this doesn't matter for them

[robeambro]

Team DSM is on Willier next year, so this doesn't matter for them

Ah, wasn't aware. Is Scott not supplying bikes to any WT team next year then?

[Tifosiphil]

Team DSM is on Willier next year, so this doesn't matter for them

Ah, wasn't aware. Is Scott not supplying bikes to any WT team next year then?

I thought they were going to be on Lapierre not Wilier? Some major rumors going round currently. We shall see, I may be at the team camp in January

No WT team but they still have Q36.5 in PT.

[Requiem84]

80mm on a 100km/h descend for a 60kg or sub 60kg rider?

Sure, they're going to like that if there's just a tiny bit of wind.

[KalleWirsch]

Unfortunately, this new geo is too long for me as Amateur.
Sorry, Scott. May be if you offer different cockpit sizes right from teh beginning, but not in this standard config.

[jlok]

80mm on a 100km/h descend for a 60kg or sub 60kg rider?

Sure, they're going to like that if there's just a tiny bit of wind.

Even in summit finish stages, it would be curious if riders with 80mm wheels can match the riders with climbing wheels in the last 100m.

[pmprego]

Unfortunately, this new geo is too long for me as Amateur.
Sorry, Scott. May be if you offer different cockpit sizes right from teh beginning, but not in this standard config.

And if they made the reach shorter, the bike would be even lighter

They made their bike, their racing bike. Now the market will respond.

@tobin people can use a riser stem/handlebar but may not like the looks of it (not to mention compatibility - a racing bikes has to optimized for racing thus not very much into standard components and compatible with many things).

Right now scott has 2 different racing bikes. Market and time will decide if this approach survives. I also wonder how many paris-roubaix does specialized still sells. I also don't see a market for the aethos with that geo. But I don't have their sales information. They are the brands, they make the decisions, and have to assume responsability for it with their shareholders. All good.

[EddyTwerckx]

They are just a different kind of bike for different kind of riders. Those that want to purchase the aethos is likely not aiming to get a racing bike. (integrated, non-classic tube shape). The only bad decision on the aethos is that it adopts the Tarmac geometry. I would put this new Addict in the same bracket as the Giant TCR or the Factor O2 VAM more or less.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Or at least in my eyes and the reason I never pulled the trigger on the Aethos. I almost bought it as my non-race bike. Just something classic and fun to ride being super light but still having exposed cables and standard parts. But then like you said it’s still got aggressive geo. Like I don’t need or want a race geo for that bike. It’s not a race bike. I’d rather have it more relaxed and be my long comfortable ride bike where I don’t care about aero watts. Now I can race an aggressive geo and be fine. But I’m sure there are a lot of people that want a classic bike and need that relaxed geo. And before everybody says just get the Crux it’s not the same bike. The Crux is not a relaxed Aethos, they ride differently.

But honestly the biggest thing that kept me from buying an Aethos was the cables. If they made a fully integrated Aethos I would have already bought it. The Factor O2 VAM was under consideration. The Giant TCR was also right up there. But neither excited me enough to pull the trigger. Tire clearance maybe. The Addict is doing it for me. It’s not going to be my main race bike. But probably my everyday bike that I can put on some fat Corsa Pros on.

If aethos geo is too aggressive for a non racing bike, then TCR and this addict is even worse (lower and longer).

A 54 addict has the reach of a 56 tarmac and a stack lower than the 54 tarmac.

No, I meant that in my opinion, for what the Aethos is, the geo is too aggressive. It’s not a race bike. It’s not aero and has exposed cables. It’s not trying to be a race bike so why the race geo? It’s not too aggressive for me. It’s too aggressive for its use case. And in my opinion that holds back sales.

[jayjay]

Scott could have saved even more weight with a slightly shorter frame

[Lina]

Unfortunately, this new geo is too long for me as Amateur.
Sorry, Scott. May be if you offer different cockpit sizes right from teh beginning, but not in this standard config.

And if they made the reach shorter, the bike would be even lighter

They made their bike, their racing bike. Now the market will respond.

@tobin people can use a riser stem/handlebar but may not like the looks of it (not to mention compatibility - a racing bikes has to optimized for racing thus not very much into standard components and compatible with many things).

Right now scott has 2 different racing bikes. Market and time will decide if this approach survives. I also wonder how many paris-roubaix does specialized still sells. I also don't see a market for the aethos with that geo. But I don't have their sales information. They are the brands, they make the decisions, and have to assume responsability for it with their shareholders. All good.

We need to normalize positive rise stems and riser bars. They make it possible to have racy geometry for those that need it but people without the ability to ride one are still able to ride the same bike. And this is also why companies need to not use proprietary front ends. They'll never offer as many possibilities as being able to use standard components would.

[SashaJoseph]

Unfortunately, this new geo is too long for me as Amateur.
Sorry, Scott. May be if you offer different cockpit sizes right from teh beginning, but not in this standard config.

And if they made the reach shorter, the bike would be even lighter

They made their bike, their racing bike. Now the market will respond.

@tobin people can use a riser stem/handlebar but may not like the looks of it (not to mention compatibility - a racing bikes has to optimized for racing thus not very much into standard components and compatible with many things).

Right now scott has 2 different racing bikes. Market and time will decide if this approach survives. I also wonder how many paris-roubaix does specialized still sells. I also don't see a market for the aethos with that geo. But I don't have their sales information. They are the brands, they make the decisions, and have to assume responsability for it with their shareholders. All good.

The last few years, I had the impression that brands were more and more offering "race bikes" with reasonable geometries to better suit the needs of their core customers (not young racers but rather not so flexible middle-aged men, like myself).

I have ridden a few race bikes lately (Factor Ostro, Canyon Aeroad, previous version of Scott Addict) and all had a roughly similar stack and reach: for a 56 size, stack around 565mm and reach around 395mm. With a few spacers, this geometry is ok for me.

In the same size, this new addict has a 403mm reach. I don't think that I have seen any 56 bike with such a long reach in the recent production...

I tend to think that 403mm reach is too long for me. I would need a 90mm stem to reproduce the position I currently have. And I am not sure I like the look of a short stem on a long frame... That's a pity because, except for the reach issue, this bike ticked all the boxes...

[pmprego]

The last few years, I had the impression that brands were more and more offering "race bikes" with reasonable geometries to better suit the needs of their core customers (not young racers but rather not so flexible middle-aged men, like myself).

I have ridden a few race bikes lately (Factor Ostro, Canyon Aeroad, previous version of Scott Addict) and all had a roughly similar stack and reach: for a 56 size, stack around 565mm and reach around 395mm. With a few spacers, this geometry is ok for me.

In the same size, this new addict has a 403mm reach. I don't think that I have seen any 56 bike with such a long reach in the recent production...

I tend to think that 403mm reach is too long for me. I would need a 90mm stem to reproduce the position I currently have. And I am not sure I like the look of a short stem on a long frame... That's a pity because, except for the reach issue, this bike ticked all the boxes...

It is also more than 10mm lower (less stack and the new -11º stem) and the 56 comes with a 110mm stem - good look getting availability of a shorter one.