Addict RC 2025

[TobinHatesYou]

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

I'll reuse Gaudu's example. He could ride a size M/54 Addict RC with 25mm in spacers and a 100mm/-11 barstem. If Mr. Spacer Stack can easily make the bike work for him with a rather aggressive stem angle, then it can't be that extreme...right? This is compared to him using a size small Xelius SL with 35mm in spacers and a 110mm/-6 stem in 2022. Sam Boardman would have to ride a M/54 Addict RC too, but with the same 170mm/-16 Elite Longboi he uses on his medium Sum Pro.

One of these pros has a normal fit on the Addict RC and one doesn't. So as a race bike for professional racers, it really isn't that extreme at all.

As new race bike releases tick by, they're going to all get longer on average. That Dare VA-AFO isn't an outlier...it's a sign of what's coming. This opens the door for brands to adopt the H1/H2 strategy again except it will be more like H0.8 and H2.5.

[Pierre86]

Sam Boardman would have to ride a M/54 Addict RC too, but with the same 170mm/-16 Elite Longboi he uses on his medium Sum Pro.

One of these pros has a normal fit on the Addict RC and one doesn't. So as a race bike for professional racers, it really isn't that extreme at all.

As new race bike releases tick by, they're going to all get longer on average. That Dare VA-AFO isn't an outlier...it's a sign of what's coming. This opens the door for brands to adopt the H1/H2 strategy again except it will be more like H0.8 and H2.5.

Boardman is an outlier though with an abnormal fit as such. The industry isn't pivoting for riders like that

[Lakal]

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

I'll reuse Gaudu's example. He could ride a size M/54 Addict RC with 25mm in spacers and a 100mm/-11 barstem. If Mr. Spacer Stack can easily make the bike work for him with a rather aggressive stem angle, then it can't be that extreme...right? This is compared to him using a size small Xelius SL with 35mm in spacers and a 110mm/-6 stem in 2022. Sam Boardman would have to ride a M/54 Addict RC too, but with the same 170mm/-16 Elite Longboi he uses on his medium Sum Pro.

One of these pros has a normal fit on the Addict RC and one doesn't. So as a race bike for professional racers, it really isn't that extreme at all.

As new race bike releases tick by, they're going to all get longer on average. That Dare VA-AFO isn't an outlier...it's a sign of what's coming. This opens the door for brands to adopt the H1/H2 strategy again except it will be more like H0.8 and H2.5.

This. In my club we already have 10 guys with long stems and narrow handlebars and I see the same in other clubs in Denmark. This bike is not extreme at all compared to my Airstreeem TT Road disc (no it is not a TT bike).

[pmprego]

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

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As new race bike releases tick by, they're going to all get longer on average. That Dare VA-AFO isn't an outlier...it's a sign of what's coming. This opens the door for brands to adopt the H1/H2 strategy again except it will be more like H0.8 and H2.5.

I don't think the new addict geo extreme. It is just more aggressive. In this regard, if anyone is to be criticized are the cycling media who reported "people get the same fit as before" - simply not true but yeah... They need the brands or they get no articles to post about.

As for mentioning gaudu or boardman they are both outliers within their group (pro riders). They shouldn't be used as representative of the rest of the pro riders.

As for the h0.8 and H2.5, bring it on. But with the same carbon layups, not the 50% heavier on the h2.5 just because "you re not a pro racer"

[CuoreTi]

I like the longer reach despite being old and inflexible.
Running a 2017 rim brake Addict RC with 130mm stem and fully slammed, I appreciate the opportunity to get back on 120mm and to have at least a little opportunity to play with the height on the new Addict.
There are plenty of frames with out there, which are too high and too short for me but, if the new addict does not fit.
Thus, as it is fine for me, it is not fine for others. Somehow unsurprising. No need to blame Scott for anything.

[Aeo]

Spacers don't even look that bad now that they are oval/teardrop shaped. Would rather run a smaller frame with 2cm spacers than ride a slammed bus

[Lina]

I disagree with the fit part and pros. I think if anything, we're seeing more and more pros use spacers under their stems. It seems like being comfortable for 5 hour stages is faster than being low and killing yourself for little aero gain. The guys you mention are breakaway guys so of course they're going to optimize a specific fit for their racing style. But look at Gaudu and Merlier just off the top of my head, but I know there are others. And part of the reason you're seeing longer stems is slammed forward saddles and steeper seattube angles, which this Addict gets in the smaller sizes but the larger ones are not that steep.

Okay so Gaudu, a pure climber, is running spacers on a race bike. What's the problem here? Seriously?

Okay so Boardman, a pure breakaway guy, is using a long stem on a race bike. What's the problem here? Seriously?

Not much of a point. Not to mention you left out Merlier, a pure sprinter, who's sole job is to go as fast as possible, is running a bunch of spacers. But no, all the pros are going super long and low according to you. SMH.

Oh yes, the sprinter who is protected the entire race and in the wind for a few hundred meters doesn't have a position where he is maximally aero at all times. How aero he is while sprinting has very little to do with how many spacers he has.

[Lina]

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

I'll reuse Gaudu's example. He could ride a size M/54 Addict RC with 25mm in spacers and a 100mm/-11 barstem. If Mr. Spacer Stack can easily make the bike work for him with a rather aggressive stem angle, then it can't be that extreme...right? This is compared to him using a size small Xelius SL with 35mm in spacers and a 110mm/-6 stem in 2022. Sam Boardman would have to ride a M/54 Addict RC too, but with the same 170mm/-16 Elite Longboi he uses on his medium Sum Pro.

One of these pros has a normal fit on the Addict RC and one doesn't. So as a race bike for professional racers, it really isn't that extreme at all.

As new race bike releases tick by, they're going to all get longer on average. That Dare VA-AFO isn't an outlier...it's a sign of what's coming. This opens the door for brands to adopt the H1/H2 strategy again except it will be more like H0.8 and H2.5.

This. In my club we already have 10 guys with long stems and narrow handlebars and I see the same in other clubs in Denmark. This bike is not extreme at all compared to my Airstreeem TT Road disc (no it is not a TT bike).

I see more narrow bars and long stems in local amateur races than in pro races. And I'm putting it down to nerdy amateurs who are free from sponsorship restrictions trying to get every advantage they can get.

[EddyTwerckx]

Where is the outrage over Aethos geo being the same as the Tarmac?

Have you missed the hundreds of posts that fit this description? That point was brought up in this thread actually.

yeah bc it's a weird thing to rage about. It's like raging because a shoe size doesn't fit you.

I don't think anyone rage about it. I raised the point about the Aethos having a tarmac fit in this thread and that it's somewhat disjointed to what the bike try to represent. it's just my opinion. Conceptually, aesthetically, the aethos isn't presented as a race bike so to many (including me) it feels weird to have quite aggressive geometry. It's okay to raise point when things don't conceptually fit? I mean it still sells well. It would have sold even better if the stack is a tad taller.

I might even be correct re the aethos. Ask someone who has seen '25/'26 specialized lineup.

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

This was my point a few pages back. For what it is, the Aethos has weird geo. A classic, round tubes, non-aero, superlight bike with exposed cables. Seems odd to have race geo. I think the Specialized name help sell some for sure.

And I actually don't think the Addict RC has that extreme of geo.



Very similar to my Tarmac SL7. And from the geo chart on the Addict page, it looks like the stack is taken below the mandatory spacer, just like the SL7. So that adds around 10mm probably. Really, the biggest difference is the effective top tube length, which stems mostly from a slacker seat tube angle. This is the one spot I'm really confused with Scott's choice. Most race bikes are getting really steep seat tubes, and the smaller sizes get it. But for some reason they slackened it for the larger sizes. It's actually slacker than my SuperSix Evo seat tube, which was already far back. So hopefully a zero offset seatpost is in the works. Because other than that, I think I'd just set it up like I had my SL7 based on the geo chart. I'm still waiting to hear back from my local Scott shop about ordering a frameset.

The part I think Scott is doing things right, at least moving in the right direction is cockpit widths.



36 in the smallest sizes. 40 at my size when I usually get 44. I run 38s normally but with the inventory issue, at least I could ride a 40 comfortably until I could grab a 38, unlike most brands who stock my size with a 44.

So overall, I'm still excited by this bike. Don't think it would be my main race bike just because I have something more aero. But as my main everyday bike I could see it fitting in nicely.

[pmprego]

So overall, I'm still excited by this bike. Don't think it would be my main race bike just because I have something more aero. But as my main everyday bike I could see it fitting in nicely.

On that size is not very far from the norm.

On a 52/54 it is.

[jayjay]

[wheelbuilder]

Have you missed the hundreds of posts that fit this description? That point was brought up in this thread actually.

yeah bc it's a weird thing to rage about. It's like raging because a shoe size doesn't fit you.

I don't think anyone rage about it. I raised the point about the Aethos having a tarmac fit in this thread and that it's somewhat disjointed to what the bike try to represent. it's just my opinion. Conceptually, aesthetically, the aethos isn't presented as a race bike so to many (including me) it feels weird to have quite aggressive geometry. It's okay to raise point when things don't conceptually fit? I mean it still sells well. It would have sold even better if the stack is a tad taller.

I might even be correct re the aethos. Ask someone who has seen '25/'26 specialized lineup.

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

This was my point a few pages back. For what it is, the Aethos has weird geo. A classic, round tubes, non-aero, superlight bike with exposed cables. Seems odd to have race geo. I think the Specialized name help sell some for sure.

And I actually don't think the Addict RC has that extreme of geo.



Very similar to my Tarmac SL7. And from the geo chart on the Addict page, it looks like the stack is taken below the mandatory spacer, just like the SL7. So that adds around 10mm probably. Really, the biggest difference is the effective top tube length, which stems mostly from a slacker seat tube angle. This is the one spot I'm really confused with Scott's choice. Most race bikes are getting really steep seat tubes, and the smaller sizes get it. But for some reason they slackened it for the larger sizes. It's actually slacker than my SuperSix Evo seat tube, which was already far back. So hopefully a zero offset seatpost is in the works. Because other than that, I think I'd just set it up like I had my SL7 based on the geo chart. I'm still waiting to hear back from my local Scott shop about ordering a frameset.

The part I think Scott is doing things right, at least moving in the right direction is cockpit widths.



36 in the smallest sizes. 40 at my size when I usually get 44. I run 38s normally but with the inventory issue, at least I could ride a 40 comfortably until I could grab a 38, unlike most brands who stock my size with a 44.

So overall, I'm still excited by this bike. Don't think it would be my main race bike just because I have something more aero. But as my main everyday bike I could see it fitting in nicely.

You don't understand why a round tube, non-aero bike with exposed cables should get race geometry? How long have you been riding bikes as an adult?

[Kubackjeee]

The question is why they don´t sell a bike which fits the 95% nomal people and the 5% pro- and semi-pro racers need to change parts?
Instead they sell a bike which fits the 5% and doesn´t fir the 95%.
Do they really think I will buy a non-fitting bike for 13.000 EUR and then spend on top money to swap parts to make it fit?

I'd already be using a 170mm/-16deg Velobike Elite Longboi on a 52cm Addict RC just like I use on my 54cm Domane RSL. On something like a Domane SLR, I'd be using a theoretical 200mm/-30deg stem. I wouldn't be able to get low because the steerer would be piercing my sternum. While most racers haven’t gone this extreme yet, we are definitely progressing to a point where a 54/medium sized race bike should have 415-420mm reach instead of the 384-390mm reach we typically see.

Scott doesn't need to make the Addict RC taller, they actually need to make it longer and also come out with an updated non-RC version with a more upright STR ratio.

I'm not arguing that you don't need what you need. But you have to recognize that you are an extreme outlier (I know .. using two words that are somewhat equivalente just to reinforce my case).

What I see people riding is bikes with 40-45mm spacers height and still being very long (for instance... No way using the drops or a puppy paw posture). It's extremely rare to see a slammed 120mm stem (I actually cant remember a illustrative example around me).

The majority of people need more relaxed bikes. Somehow manufacturers have been able to get by selling them bikes they shouldn't be riding.

Did you not read beyond the first sentence of my reply? I admit that I am and outlier, but you almost must admit that actual race fits are getting more aggressive. Look at van Schip, Hesters, Sam Boardman, Jonas Rutsch, etc. These guys are just the early adopters, more will follow.

It's crazy-talk to cry about how the Addict RC has to be taller when the non-RC update will presumably be the exact bike you all are clamoring for. The non-RC Addict exists. The Dogma X exists. The Endurace exists. These are all no-compromise "racey" bikes with more forgiving STR. Why is everyone so adamant that race bikes need to disappear?

No offence but why do You think anyone will follow those anons You listed? People follow tier 1 riders like Pogi, MVDP, Remco. Not the dudes You listed.

[Bb13]

120mm stem length might be a problem as the stack is also a little bit longer in size 58 ...

[EddyTwerckx]

yeah bc it's a weird thing to rage about. It's like raging because a shoe size doesn't fit you.

I don't think anyone rage about it. I raised the point about the Aethos having a tarmac fit in this thread and that it's somewhat disjointed to what the bike try to represent. it's just my opinion. Conceptually, aesthetically, the aethos isn't presented as a race bike so to many (including me) it feels weird to have quite aggressive geometry. It's okay to raise point when things don't conceptually fit? I mean it still sells well. It would have sold even better if the stack is a tad taller.

I might even be correct re the aethos. Ask someone who has seen '25/'26 specialized lineup.

This is beside the point though. We can agree that the Addict geometry is rather extreme.

This was my point a few pages back. For what it is, the Aethos has weird geo. A classic, round tubes, non-aero, superlight bike with exposed cables. Seems odd to have race geo. I think the Specialized name help sell some for sure.

And I actually don't think the Addict RC has that extreme of geo.



Very similar to my Tarmac SL7. And from the geo chart on the Addict page, it looks like the stack is taken below the mandatory spacer, just like the SL7. So that adds around 10mm probably. Really, the biggest difference is the effective top tube length, which stems mostly from a slacker seat tube angle. This is the one spot I'm really confused with Scott's choice. Most race bikes are getting really steep seat tubes, and the smaller sizes get it. But for some reason they slackened it for the larger sizes. It's actually slacker than my SuperSix Evo seat tube, which was already far back. So hopefully a zero offset seatpost is in the works. Because other than that, I think I'd just set it up like I had my SL7 based on the geo chart. I'm still waiting to hear back from my local Scott shop about ordering a frameset.

The part I think Scott is doing things right, at least moving in the right direction is cockpit widths.



36 in the smallest sizes. 40 at my size when I usually get 44. I run 38s normally but with the inventory issue, at least I could ride a 40 comfortably until I could grab a 38, unlike most brands who stock my size with a 44.

So overall, I'm still excited by this bike. Don't think it would be my main race bike just because I have something more aero. But as my main everyday bike I could see it fitting in nicely.

You don't understand why a round tube, non-aero bike with exposed cables should get race geometry? How long have you been riding bikes as an adult?

Hahaha.

Struck a nerve apparently. You can keep your round tubes thank you.