EKOI PW8

[spartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfdEOOEYmm0

true innovation. metal cleats wide platform only issue we need to buy new shoes

[tiddytoddy]

These look pretty sweet! A great option for those who are interested in having a lower stack height as well.

[alanyu]

The only problem I see so far is the front piece is fixes in y direction, which means you can't really change Q without changing the alignment angle.

[nullptr]

Are these really low stack, though? To me it looks like that they had to make their sole very thick to fit the cleat system.

[TobinHatesYou]

Are these really low stack, though? To me it looks like that they had to make their sole very thick to fit the cleat system.

The front cleat is recessed and the rear cleat is basically sitting inside the arch?

[RDY]

System looks great. But Ekoi's shoes suck ...

Are Specialized, Shimano, Lake, Bont etc going to produce shoes to fit it? Almost certainly not, so it's going to be of very limited interested.

Arkea aren't using them because the riders didn't want to use Ekoi's shoes.

[toxin]

So the uci unbanned them then?

[aeroisnteverything]

Am excited about these. I think in aero terms, they will be even better than speedplay. Have not seen the weight but it's not hard to believe that the system weight will be very good as well.

Changing the shoes is the only issue - and not a small one. But it's not gonna kill me to try.

[wheelsONfire]

Question they should address, how do you mount shims on the shoes/ cleats?
I like the concept, but when you are forced to a specific shoe for a specific pedal, i kind of sense this is a doomed invention.

[gwerziou]

Has anyone heard any news about these pedals? Are they really coming to market?

[RDY]

Has anyone heard any news about these pedals? Are they really coming to market?

Ekoi would need to partner with some major shoe makers for it to get off the ground.

[proffate]

With the new Outlier pendulum MTB flat pedals making the blog rounds, it seems like ekoi missed a trick here, as they could have made these pedals literally zero stack by removing the middle support that aligns with the pedal axis. Then again you have to wonder what the point of the lower stack is. If it's just to lower the total body position, then get a lower BB. The limiting factor on lowering bb is actually the pedaling clearance. Do they have speedplay beat there? I'm guessing not.

The Frenchie in the video said that having your foot closer to the axis of rotation makes your pedal stroke more efficient, which is an effect you couldn't get from dropping the bb, but is this a real benefit or just marketing talk?

[TobinHatesYou]

With the new Outlier pendulum MTB flat pedals making the blog rounds, it seems like ekoi missed a trick here, as they could have made these pedals literally zero stack by removing the middle support that aligns with the pedal axis. Then again you have to wonder what the point of the lower stack is. If it's just to lower the total body position, then get a lower BB. The limiting factor on lowering bb is actually the pedaling clearance. Do they have speedplay beat there? I'm guessing not.

The Frenchie in the video said that having your foot closer to the axis of rotation makes your pedal stroke more efficient, which is an effect you couldn't get from dropping the bb, but is this a real benefit or just marketing talk?

Well... either your shoe sits on top of the oversized bearing and you incur a stack height penalty anyway -OR- your shoe sits outboard of that oversized bearing and you incur a q-factor penalty. Bumping your stance-width by 2x6mm is far worse for your CdA than a 12mm increase in stack height.

[proffate]

With the new Outlier pendulum MTB flat pedals making the blog rounds, it seems like ekoi missed a trick here, as they could have made these pedals literally zero stack by removing the middle support that aligns with the pedal axis. Then again you have to wonder what the point of the lower stack is. If it's just to lower the total body position, then get a lower BB. The limiting factor on lowering bb is actually the pedaling clearance. Do they have speedplay beat there? I'm guessing not.

The Frenchie in the video said that having your foot closer to the axis of rotation makes your pedal stroke more efficient, which is an effect you couldn't get from dropping the bb, but is this a real benefit or just marketing talk?

Well... either your shoe sits on top of the oversized bearing and you incur a stack height penalty anyway -OR- your shoe sits outboard of that oversized bearing and you incur a q-factor penalty. Bumping your stance-width by 2x6mm is far worse for your CdA than a 12mm increase in stack height.

As long as the design requires a special sole, add a notch to house the bearing. I think you could put the bearing in the crank as well, some old shimano system apparently did this. But my broader point is that there's no actual reason to do any of this, at least that I've come to understand.

As to your point on stance width, spec tested it (normal vs "narrow as we can readily make it") and the difference was pretty negligible, at least as a solo rider. In comparison a 12mm difference in stack height means your head tube, seattube/post etc is 12mm shorter, not to mention you're effectively behind a slightly taller rider every time you draft, which sounds less negligible to me but I don't know if there has been any specific testing that didn't introduce confounding factors.