Van Rysel 2025 FCR

[EtoDemerzel]

Is it just me, or does it look a whole lot like the Specialized Venge Disc (RIP)? The whole frame looks very reminiscent of the Venge. Especially similar headtube profile. The Van Rysel has a deeper fork thanks to new UCI rules, but the rest of it looks really close to my eye.

Yeah, nearly identical to the 2019 Venge w/ a deeper fork (as you noted)
spot on

So the twice as deep head tube + compensation triangle on the seat tube + smooth vs sharp fork to downtube transition + headtube to downtube ledge doesn't look any different??

Are you the same type of person who claims steel bikes look so different but modern bikes all look the same?

chill poppy who hurt you?

they look similar with similar shapes. No one is saying they look exactly the same.
The fact both bikes are five years apart is interesting.

[EtoDemerzel]

That's a good side by side and explaination

Yes. Though now that I think about it, my comparison was unfair as that was still a prototype bike, same with the one tour reviewed in august. This one is race ready, so basically done with the development cycle. At the end of the day, we still have no precedent to how Decathlon handles these releases, they've barely just come in to the market. Could be a 2025 bike, could come in the next months.

It is true you cannot draw a line from one point - it is certainly driven by wishcasting on my part for something that can challenege the SystemSix while shaving a few hundred grams and taking advantage of the more modern regulations for the fork.

I can somewhat understand what those repeating it looks like a Venge are seeing, but the headtube, seattube, and BB area really are substantially different.

[Lina]

Is it just me, or does it look a whole lot like the Specialized Venge Disc (RIP)? The whole frame looks very reminiscent of the Venge. Especially similar headtube profile. The Van Rysel has a deeper fork thanks to new UCI rules, but the rest of it looks really close to my eye.

Yeah, nearly identical to the 2019 Venge w/ a deeper fork (as you noted)
spot on

So the twice as deep head tube + compensation triangle on the seat tube + smooth vs sharp fork to downtube transition + headtube to downtube ledge doesn't look any different??

Are you the same type of person who claims steel bikes look so different but modern bikes all look the same?

chill poppy who hurt you?

they look similar with similar shapes. No one is saying they look exactly the same.
The fact both bikes are five years apart is interesting.

You yourself said they look nearly identical. Which they obviously don't. Yes they're race bikes made to UCI rules, they're going to be of similar design. But they're nowhere near identical like you said.

[EtoDemerzel]

Yeah, nearly identical to the 2019 Venge w/ a deeper fork (as you noted)
spot on

So the twice as deep head tube + compensation triangle on the seat tube + smooth vs sharp fork to downtube transition + headtube to downtube ledge doesn't look any different??

Are you the same type of person who claims steel bikes look so different but modern bikes all look the same?

chill poppy who hurt you?

they look similar with similar shapes. No one is saying they look exactly the same.
The fact both bikes are five years apart is interesting.

You yourself said they look nearly identical. Which they obviously don't. Yes they're race bikes made to UCI rules, they're going to be of similar design. But they're nowhere near identical like you said.

Yeah all the shapes look pretty close to the Venge. FCR looks like a modern version of the Venge.

[toxin]

if you want to see something you will see it, but really there's tons of difference in the details

[C36]

Yeah all the shapes look pretty close to the Venge. FCR looks like a modern version of the Venge.

What? If anything it looks close to a system6. Now if deep tubes and dropped ST make it a Venge .
I wish it had more personality, something more radical (look style bayonette fork for example) but it is nowhere near a Venge.


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[toxin]

One thing I'm curios abpt is bottle placement. Why do they mount so high, front bottle especially?

[cajer]

One thing I'm curios abpt is bottle placement. Why do they mount so high, front bottle especially?

EDIT: Wrong Thread

[toxin]

How do you know this? What drag plot?

[cajer]

How do you know this? What drag plot?

O sorry. I missed up threads and thought this was the Canyon thread.

[toxin]

I was a bit dissapointed by the relatively shallow fork, but I had a suspicion. Most forks on modern bikes are basically rectangles. If it's an "aero" bike the leading edge will be more rounded. It seems to me like the fork profile on the FCR is distinctly airfoil shaped. This could mean they already achieved most of the aero gains that can legally be found with the profile, so they opted to make it a bit shallower to make it a bit lighter.

Could also just be wishful thinking

[alanyu]

I was a bit dissapointed by the relatively shallow fork, but I had a suspicion. Most forks on modern bikes are basically rectangles. If it's an "aero" bike the leading edge will be more rounded. It seems to me like the fork profile on the FCR is distinctly airfoil shaped. This could mean they already achieved most of the aero gains that can legally be found with the profile, so they opted to make it a bit shallower to make it a bit lighter.

Could also just be wishful thinking

Foil including previous gen, System Six, SSE gen 4, Venge, SL7/8, Propel including old gens, Aeroad, Ostro, all have truncated aerofoil legs, and most of them don't have very wide legs

[apr46]

I was a bit dissapointed by the relatively shallow fork, but I had a suspicion. Most forks on modern bikes are basically rectangles. If it's an "aero" bike the leading edge will be more rounded. It seems to me like the fork profile on the FCR is distinctly airfoil shaped. This could mean they already achieved most of the aero gains that can legally be found with the profile, so they opted to make it a bit shallower to make it a bit lighter.

Could also just be wishful thinking

I dont know how you assess cross sections based on photos like this, let alone are spewing conclusions like these based on just basic shape charts. Do you even know how wide and deep this profile even is? Can you estimate it with any accuracy at all? How would you account for the effect that the wheel and tire would have regarding the optimal shape of the fork?

Just chill and trust that the teams of engineers that worked on this stuff did a reasonable job thinking through both basic design and balancing system effects. Afterall, this is, by primary intent, an aero bike and it was designed in collaboration with some really sharp aero minds. It will also surely be tested, so you will get some comps to think about at some point too.

[toxin]

Yeaaaaaaah makes sense I was making shit up I guess

[rhender]

I want to revive this thread based on the official announcement of the bike: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/van-rysel-rcr-f

Guess it will be called RCR-F instead of FCR. Passes the eye test with flying colors for me. Curious about the weights.