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cleanneon98
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k33z wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:23 pm
In the wheel test I saw this week the RSL 51 wheels came in quite a bit heavier then the claims, I think near 1600 for the set.
Mine were 1460 with tape

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cleanneon98 wrote:
k33z wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:23 pm
In the wheel test I saw this week the RSL 51 wheels came in quite a bit heavier then the claims, I think near 1600 for the set.
Mine were 1460 with tape
They are good wheels. I think the heavy ass Pirellis are weighing builds down.


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by GrassQ

Madones front center in size MD/LG is 580 mm and its about 10 mm shorter than for example in SSE (14) and Tarmac (12) in size 56, On the other hand front center is only 3 mm shorter than in Madone gen 7. These numbers are from different sources (geometry geeks and 99spokes).
This can be a issue/ toeoverlap in some cases.

Also it seems that seatmast lenght (long and short) and/or different "spacers" can cause some fitting problems at first.

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German article comparing the Tarmac SL8, Madone SLR, Propel SL und Aeroad CFR

https://www.rennrad-news.de/news/4-supe ... eroad-cfr/

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GrassQ wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:29 am
Madones front center in size MD/LG is 580 mm and its about 10 mm shorter than for example in SSE (14) and Tarmac (12) in size 56, On the other hand front center is only 3 mm shorter than in Madone gen 7. These numbers are from different sources (geometry geeks and 99spokes).
This can be a issue/ toeoverlap in some cases.

Also it seems that seatmast lenght (long and short) and/or different "spacers" can cause some fitting problems at first.
My current bike has short front center (size 56 which would equal to Madone M/L). It has a 403mm chainstay length and Madone uses 410mm. My bike have a wheelbase of 984mm and the Madone 980mm. So it's atleast 7 mm shorter in FC than my current bike. That's not really good looking at a bike that is new. My bike has same geometry as Swift Sculp (2013 project between Swift carbon and Ax Lightness).

I was indeed very close ordering the new Madone. So i bought the new 37/40 RSL handlebar to test how i would like the cockpit. Personally i don't like it. I did at first, but after a few days i started to notice it will not work for me. I don't really like the angled shape in the drop and i also feel the reach is either to short in the drops and long at the hood position. I went back to my Deda Superzero RS instead.
So the two hickups i have is the too short FC length and the fact i will not like the cockpit.
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Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)


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cleanneon98
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LedZeppelin007 wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:14 am
cleanneon98 wrote:
k33z wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:23 pm
In the wheel test I saw this week the RSL 51 wheels came in quite a bit heavier then the claims, I think near 1600 for the set.
Mine were 1460 with tape
They are good wheels. I think the heavy ass Pirellis are weighing builds down.


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I mean, they really aren't THAT heavy. My 28mm RS were around 300g a piece, the non-RS are like 310-ish, while the S TR in the same size is in the 260s.

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by LedZeppelin007

The article said they weighed them at like 350g a piece. The Madone was also giving up 250g+ on the tire/wheel combo versus the Aeroad with DT 1100 50mm/Conti S TRs. Something is amiss with the Trek wheel/tire set up weight wise.

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LedZeppelin007 wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:00 pm
The article said they weighed them at like 350g a piece. The Madone was also giving up 250g+ on the tire/wheel combo versus the Aeroad with DT 1100 50mm/Conti S TRs. Something is amiss with the Trek wheel/tire set up weight wise.
350 is odd, I pulled my weight off BRR and I've personally weighed 6 of the TLR RS Pirellis at 300g +/-5g. Also I think those DT wheels are pretty narrow by modern standards, so while they may save weight I don't see them being a selling point for many. My buddy just got a great deal on an Aeroad CFR with them and already talking about getting new wheels

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by LedZeppelin007

trek is now offering a SRAM Red D1 model for $500 more than the Ultegra model. I'm kind of split as to which was to go on that one. What do you guys think?

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GrassQ wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:29 am
Madones front center in size MD/LG is 580 mm and its about 10 mm shorter than for example in SSE (14) and Tarmac (12) in size 56, On the other hand front center is only 3 mm shorter than in Madone gen 7. These numbers are from different sources (geometry geeks and 99spokes).
This can be a issue/ toeoverlap in some cases.

Also it seems that seatmast lenght (long and short) and/or different "spacers" can cause some fitting problems at first.
With a shorter seatmast exposed, it will have less comfort, just like the bike review done by BicycleStation youtube.
If you have longer seatmast exposed, it will have more comfort, just like the German review.
So, the sizing of the bike plays a critical role whether you could a right seatmast exposed to strive more more comfort.
I just wish Trek didn't cut down the size.

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by kolau

I've bought a gen8 with RSL wheels and they came with the Bontrager TLR strip installed. It adds 60 grams per wheel. Emonda and gen7 didn't came with the inserts.


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by Lbert

kolau wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:49 am
I've bought a gen8 with RSL wheels and they came with the Bontrager TLR strip installed. It adds 60 grams per wheel. Emonda and gen7 didn't came with the inserts.


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That's not true. My gen7 comes with the TLR strip.

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Lbert wrote:
kolau wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:49 am
I've bought a gen8 with RSL wheels and they came with the Bontrager TLR strip installed. It adds 60 grams per wheel. Emonda and gen7 didn't came with the inserts.


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That's not true. My gen7 comes with the TLR strip.
Mines not.



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by cleanneon98

I think because the Gen 7 and Emonda were still set up with tubes from factory so the strips may have been included in the box rather than pre-installed. The higher end Gen 8 is tubeless standard and makes sense for the strips to come pre-installed

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