Incoming: Seka Spear, '690g' frameset

[gloscherrybomb]

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Great post! Thanks.

[buchstabensalat]

Anyone have any takes on what Seka means by "unfair competition"?

I don't know if there is definitive proof yet since I didn't follow the conversation closely, but when the Exceed came out a lot of people heavily implied that Factor and Seka were producing in the same factory. So that's the first thing that came to my mind when reading this.

[Requiem84]

I'd be surprised if that limited their production capacity. I was wondering if it was labour / factory capacity competition. Someone else came in with a good offer and took available capacity / labour from them.

To avoid these additional costs (up to 50% additional import costs approx), it may require to change the supply chain, sourcing, manufacturing etc. Although tbh, I don't see how they could legally avoid it anyway if the frames are still manufactured in China itself.

(My previous job I did customs/tax for the parent company of a.o. Lapierre and dealt with these matters in various court cases).

[Blind1967]

Anyone have any takes on what Seka means by "unfair competition"?

I don't know if there is definitive proof yet since I didn't follow the conversation closely, but when the Exceed came out a lot of people heavily implied that Factor and Seka were producing in the same factory. So that's the first thing that came to my mind when reading this.

I watched a youtube video posted by a french guy the other day, my translation is rough but he suggested that Factor were produced on same production lines, they see Seka as a threat and flexed their muslces getting Seka production stopped

[wheelsONfire]

Anyone have any takes on what Seka means by "unfair competition"?

I don't know if there is definitive proof yet since I didn't follow the conversation closely, but when the Exceed came out a lot of people heavily implied that Factor and Seka were producing in the same factory. So that's the first thing that came to my mind when reading this.

I watched a youtube video posted by a french guy the other day, my translation is rough but he suggested that Factor were produced on same production lines, they see Seka as a threat and flexed their muslces getting Seka production stopped

That disclose only one thing, that Factor bikes are far to expensive.

[apr46]

I think only the RDC was made that factory. I am also not sure what bikes they made for Factor (e.g,. LS vs. Ostro). I dont think that has any bearing on the relative economics of each frame given other potential differences. It did suggest that that Seka was making an effort to work with suppliers that have a good reputation for quality.

[Blind1967]

RDC shadow black size m, frame 704g, uncutted fork 423g. For comparison, my sl8 rtp 56,frame 693g, fork 373g.

on the shadow black is the carbon weave visible through the paint finish?

[nino10]

RDC shadow black size m, frame 704g, uncutted fork 423g. For comparison, my sl8 rtp 56,frame 693g, fork 373g.

on the shadow black is the carbon weave visible through the paint finish?

Yes:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175343&start=390#p1891400
https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threa ... st-6321773
https://www.instagram.com/zinnbike/reel/DCbLhNqS4-Y/

[Blind1967]

RDC shadow black size m, frame 704g, uncutted fork 423g. For comparison, my sl8 rtp 56,frame 693g, fork 373g.

on the shadow black is the carbon weave visible through the paint finish?

Yes:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175343&start=390#p1891400
https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threa ... st-6321773
https://www.instagram.com/zinnbike/reel/DCbLhNqS4-Y/

cheers, couldnt really see it in those images until the instagram clip

[nino10]

RDC shadow black size m, frame 704g, uncutted fork 423g. For comparison, my sl8 rtp 56,frame 693g, fork 373g.

on the shadow black is the carbon weave visible through the paint finish?

Yes:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=175343&start=390#p1891400
https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threa ... st-6321773
https://www.instagram.com/zinnbike/reel/DCbLhNqS4-Y/

cheers, couldnt really see it in those images until the instagram clip

just enlarge the images..

[Blind1967]

took a trip to London yesterday and took a few pics. Really nice store owner of 'Bikesoup' in the Westfield centre. He seemed to think he could get delivery pretty quickly, tiime will tell I guess. pulled the trigger on a size S.

[MrCurrieinahurry]

Woah nice one!!!! Look forward to a build thread for sure on that! What was the ETA?

[bfaz]

Hi all

Long-time reader of WW, first-time poster. Like blind1967 I've just been into bikesoup and placed an order. Although at the other end of the spectrum - an XL. They reckon 10-14 days for delivery - given Florian bikes are still saying 3 months I don't share their optimism, but let's see. I guess it's possible that Seka are giving some priority to their newest distributor, especially having attended and got hype at Rouleur etc.
This won't be my first Chinese frameset but will be the first with a brand name on it and the first that is more than $1000. Thankfully bikesoup do cycletowork which makes it a considerably cheaper proposition.
Thanks to all here for insight over the last 39 pages - a really useful resource.

[MrCurrieinahurry]

Great to have you join us Bfaz. And hopefully we see a nice few photos in a gallery's thread.. please keep us updated to date with how it all goes?

[gloscherrybomb]

Picking up my RDC white from Florian on Thursday. Looking forward to the build. I think it's the first white in Europe.