2024 ENVE Fray

[morrisond]

Same with suggesting that a Ti bike has the stiffest BB area.

Maybe if it weighed about 2kg yes, not for the Ti bikes mentioned.

Absolutely hilarious!

He is an internet expert. I have had Multiple very stiff Ti(for Ti) bikes - and they aren't that stiff.

Quite frankly a lot of softness people feel in BB's can be not so stiff BB/crank interfaces and rear wheels that are not that stiff.

[B0tt0mline]

Same with suggesting that a Ti bike has the stiffest BB area.

Maybe if it weighed about 2kg yes, not for the Ti bikes mentioned.

Absolutely hilarious!

Exactly.

[LBoogie28]

I have the Aethos and the Fray and the Aethos is not stiffer at all

Too much internet again, come on...

Yes, the claim the aethos is stiffer than the fray is a give away, plus these gems...

-V3RS is "very stiff," when that was its biggest complaint from riders of all types (soft/noodle)

-Twitchy front end of the fray given it's designed geometry.

-fray comes in egg shell (off-white), not beige...and it's simply matte paint, not an impregnated top layer.

-Both the melee and fray are not US made carbon frames.

All reviews, from YouTube to this thread, to people I know personally contradict this poster's write up. Seems odd. Is this the same poster that says carbon cranks fail, and should never be used?

[jayjay]

Build post:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=176607

[jayjay]

Regarding the recent headset bearing topic.

Ceramicspeed does not reccomend using their 40x52x7mm bearing for the Enve frames but mentiones to maybe add some spacer between the compression ring and top cap.

Enve says:

I terms of the recesses in the headset bearings, I've had no reports from consumers on our end with that issue of increased friction from the headset cover when using any aftermarket IS52/52 (40x52x7) bearings. We have folks at ENVE HQ running ceramic speed bearings on their ENVE frames with no complaints or issues that I am aware of.

The actual bearing OD is 51.8. However, the 52mm bearing from Ceramic speed should fit in our head tube, it'll just create a snugger fit.

The bearing is still listed as a 40x52x7 from Token, which is why ENVE listed it as such. Its actual measured OD is 51.8. The information listed on our support site is there to allow folks to purchase replacement bearings, all of which would be listed in whole mm measurements and not to the tenth. To avoid confusion, we provide measurements that other headset manufacturers typically list, which are to the whole mm or in this case, 52mm. Preload on the headset and the upper compression ring account for these slight differences in tenths of a mm by compressing the headset and bearings and removing any play. At the end of the day, our head tube is designed around an IS52 bearing, and replacing the headset bearings in the future with other brands that offer 40x52x7 bearings should be no issue.

So, the big question, use the CeramicSpeed SLT bearings or not?

What do you guys think?

[kuotient]

Regarding the recent headset bearing topic.

Ceramicspeed does not reccomend using their 40x52x7mm bearing for the Enve frames but mentiones to maybe add some spacer between the compression ring and top cap.

Enve says:

I terms of the recesses in the headset bearings, I've had no reports from consumers on our end with that issue of increased friction from the headset cover when using any aftermarket IS52/52 (40x52x7) bearings. We have folks at ENVE HQ running ceramic speed bearings on their ENVE frames with no complaints or issues that I am aware of.

The actual bearing OD is 51.8. However, the 52mm bearing from Ceramic speed should fit in our head tube, it'll just create a snugger fit.

The bearing is still listed as a 40x52x7 from Token, which is why ENVE listed it as such. Its actual measured OD is 51.8. The information listed on our support site is there to allow folks to purchase replacement bearings, all of which would be listed in whole mm measurements and not to the tenth. To avoid confusion, we provide measurements that other headset manufacturers typically list, which are to the whole mm or in this case, 52mm. Preload on the headset and the upper compression ring account for these slight differences in tenths of a mm by compressing the headset and bearings and removing any play. At the end of the day, our head tube is designed around an IS52 bearing, and replacing the headset bearings in the future with other brands that offer 40x52x7 bearings should be no issue.

So, the big question, use the CeramicSpeed SLT bearings or not?

What do you guys think?

I'm building a MOG for a client/friend. Ended up ordering the SLT bearings even though I wasn't sure from the previous comments. As ENVE said, the bearings are just more snug. The 51.8s just fall in/out and have a little slop. The SLT 52.0 bearings go in pretty easily and just need to be walked out a little when removing. I'm waiting for my friend to provide me the wheels before I can really say it feels fine, but so far it feels fine. I don't see any excess or insufficient gaps anywhere.

[thomiz]

My LBS tried the sand paper with resin and it did not work- the clamp chewed through it or the clamp side worse off is 2-3 rides and I was back to removing the seat post. The issue for slipping is always at the back and sides. The Colnago paint told me exactly where the few contact points were. So the clamp applies as much force on the stiff carbon mast as it can. but the slippage occurs in 75% on the seat post area besides the clamp. As these forces micro twist the seat post (and I was getting a gentle CCW creak and twist), it all twists itself down. Temporarily anchored at the top while still twisting and creaking below the clamp. Any how after consulting Hambini, his solution not working, scouring articles, I realized that it is a common tolerance issue plaguing the entire front clamp based industry. for example my Time clamps at the back of the seatpost and ZERO slippage. Besides the impeccable 0.1-0.2mm fit delta, the Time seatapost gets in gently with pressure and never moves clamped. But my V3Rs At 0.5mm gap any liquid resin sandpaper etc was squeezed, chewed (though glad to hear it worked for you). Seapost angle also matters. Steeper the angle the more downwards the force vector (so a 73 degree seatpost will slide less than a 73.5 or 74).

Anyhow after a brutal failed Sunday ride, when the thing failed twice 5-7 mms I recalled from Japanese craft,the art of fitting habaki for swords that cannot twist or undo during battle. So came up with the foil then brass wrap with JB welt, and leaving the clamp area exposed so it contacts the hard seatpost material.

In my case the 0.2 mm brass wrapped around 75% of the D shape solved it, so the bras was like a C. Power output went up (imagine having to start rides with 3mm higher, then finishing 2 mm lower), speed, comfort, no more twists. the seatpost contact at the back, and around the C shape. the lower resin I left prevent any micro twists.

Ouch.

However the hack have been working good so far for me, will inspect the results after a couple of more rides. I also believe this is mostly down to excess "wiggle" room, wich makes attaching the seatpost with a small wedge difficult. I personally believe this should not be a problem with a new frame/seatpost, but alas it is.

[thomiz]

I'm building a MOG for a client/friend. Ended up ordering the SLT bearings even though I wasn't sure from the previous comments. As ENVE said, the bearings are just more snug. The 51.8s just fall in/out and have a little slop. The SLT 52.0 bearings go in pretty easily and just need to be walked out a little when removing. I'm waiting for my friend to provide me the wheels before I can really say it feels fine, but so far it feels fine. I don't see any excess or insufficient gaps anywhere.

I have to admit the SLT bearing I got from my LBS was the wrong one and not the 40x52x7 that is the correct size (even though Cheramicspeed claims it will not fit). My LBS provided me with the SLT kit for Dogma F, and those bearings are actually 40x52x8mm and don't fit at all. Probably my LBS screwing up in combination with some bad advice from Cheramicspeed. If they had provided https://ceramicspeed.com/en-eu/products ... s=e&_v=1.0 I would probably have been all OK

[MementoMori]

I realize this question might be very anti-weightweenie but, I'll risk it:

Has anyone fitted any fenders to their Fray frameset already and if so, which combination of tire/tyre and frameset did you use please?

I found the fender hardware on the Enve website but can't find any recommended parts other than that.

[jayjay]

I will continue to use my Portland Design Works Full Metal Fenders size 37x700.
Enve told me that even size 45 would fit into the Fray.

They also have this compatibility list on their website:

• Bontrager -NCS Alloy Fender Set

• Bontrager - CNCS Fender Set

• Portland Design Works - Full Metal Fenders

• Portland Design Works - Poncho Fenders

• VeloOrange - All Fenders

• Handsome Cycles - Mud Butler Fender Set

• SimWorks by Honjo - All Fenders (may require drilling for all installation configurations)

[MementoMori]

Oh crap, missed that completely, apologies and thanks for this!

I have a pair of Portland Design works on another bike and love them, I'll check for a pair of those again.

[hiasn]

here is my enve fray build:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/201718212 ... 6G9758BvH2

frame and fork: enve fray 52 cm salt
wheels: enve ses 3.4 (custom silkgraphics decals "salt")
cockpit: enve ses ar cockpit 100/38
tires: pirelli p zero race tlr 40mm
groupset: sram xplr 2024 13 speed 46t chainring, 46-10 casette
pedals: look keo carbon ti 2024
saddle: selle italia slr boost flow ti
bottle cages: elite leggero carbon
mounts: front: enve, rear: k-edge varia mount

weight: 7,8 kg (including everything mentioned above and 2 neoprene sleeves for in frame storage)

[jayjay]

Nice build!
I think the gap between the headset bearing cover and the headtube a bit too large.

[Tarmacian]

Super Nice! Im considering a similar build but still not sure about the groupset. It's gonna be Red XPLR or Red AXS e1. Did you consider 2x12 and what made you choose 1x13?

here is my enve fray build:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/201718212 ... 6G9758BvH2

frame and fork: enve fray 52 cm salt
wheels: enve ses 3.4 (custom silkgraphics decals "salt")
cockpit: enve ses ar cockpit 100/38
tires: pirelli p zero race tlr 40mm
groupset: sram xplr 2024 13 speed 46t chainring, 46-10 casette
pedals: look keo carbon ti 2024
saddle: selle italia slr boost flow ti
bottle cages: elite leggero carbon
mounts: front: enve, rear: k-edge varia mount

weight: 7,8 kg (including everything mentioned above and 2 neoprene sleeves for in frame storage)

[jayjay]