2024 ENVE Fray

[jayjay]

Finally released:
https://enve.com/products/fray

Geometry optimized for 31mm - 35mm tires
Tire clearances fits up to a 700 x 40mm (1x), 700 x 38mm (2x)
ENVE Cargo Bay integrated downtube storage allows in-frame storage solution
Top tube and downtube mounts for adding bags, bottle cage, tools, or any other gear needed to tack on for big adventure rides
Aero tube shapes & design that complements SES rim shapes
Universal Derailleur Hanger (UDH) compatible allows choice of drivetrain
Frame Weight 900g (Size 56cm Painted, No Hardware)

[pmprego]

The market for the endurance/all road market is really improving.

Really dig this new fray. The colors are not awesome - seems to be a constant thing with enve but I'd get along with that cream white.

This one just entered my wish list which only included the new giant Defy.

[Tarmacian]

Looks great an love the geometry. I need the stack of a 58cm and the reach of a 56 for most bikes.

Currently owning a Athos and Aspero in 56cm with lots of spacers and this Fray looks like an serious candidate to replace them both.

[robeambro]

Though it clearly says 38mm max w/ 2x, If this could clear 40s with SRAM Road 2x and its annoyingly protruding FD battery, it would really, really make me want to sell my Ostro Gravel.

(please don't let me know if it does clear those tyres..)

[thirdsun]

Though it clearly says 38mm max w/ 2x, If this could clear 40s with SRAM Road 2x and its annoyingly protruding FD battery, it would really, really make me want to sell my Ostro Gravel.

(please don't let me know if it does clear those tyres..)

Why not opt for the Enve Mog instead? Geometry seems very similar and the frame is actually designed for 40-44 mm tire width.

[robeambro]

Though it clearly says 38mm max w/ 2x, If this could clear 40s with SRAM Road 2x and its annoyingly protruding FD battery, it would really, really make me want to sell my Ostro Gravel.

(please don't let me know if it does clear those tyres..)

Why not opt for the Enve Mog instead? Geometry seems very similar and the frame is actually designed for 40-44 mm tire width.

Because as a do-it-all bike, I (and this is me) want a road bike that can tackle gravel, not vice versa. The Mog is a bit too much on the gravel spectrum and is likely to have zero aerodynamic properties.

Then again I'd even consider it but, I hate, hate, hate seeing bolts for bikepacking on the fork.

[patchandscruff]

How can it have zero aerodynamic properties?

Also, the Mog has a lower stack than the Fray. If anything, it's the more aggressive fit than the new frame.

[proffate]

The trail on this thing is almost identical to the melee. The biggest difference I can see besides head tube and tt length (which you can compensate with cockpit setup) is bb drop. This thing is actually a bit racier if you're going to run larger tires in the sense that it sticks closer to a traditional race bike bb height.

The clearance when running 38-40mm tires is probably less than ideal if riding on unpaved (and especially wet unpaved) surfaces, but you can run 35mm more safely in that situation than on a melee.

[morrisond]

Then again I'd even consider it but, I hate, hate, hate seeing bolts for bikepacking on the fork.

You are not alone in that.

I just bought a Fray - instead of using my Firefly build slot to build an ENVE in-route Road 35mm bike - and now going to use the slot to build a CRUX fast gravel type bike (I like 45mm tires on Gravel the Fray can't do that) and it's driving me nuts that that ENVE Gravel In-route Fork has bike packing mounts. I hate them more than I hate exposed cables.

ENVE goes to all the trouble to hide cables and the only Stem you can get is aero and then they put bike packing mounts on the fork? Really silly.

[robeambro]

How can it have zero aerodynamic properties?

Also, the Mog has a lower stack than the Fray. If anything, it's the more aggressive fit than the new frame.

Stack doesn't matter. Every rider will build their required stack by adding or removing spacers. Provided that I'd use both bikes for the same purposes, I wouldn't position myself lower on a Mog just because it has a lower stack. I haven't seen other important geo figures such as STA, HTA, FC, trail, etc - but I've no reason to believe the Mog wouldn't be ever so slightly more 'tame'.

The "zero aerodynamic properties" was a hyperbole.

[pmprego]

Then again I'd even consider it but, I hate, hate, hate seeing bolts for bikepacking on the fork.

You are not alone in that.

I just bought a Fray - instead of using my Firefly build slot to build an ENVE in-route Road 35mm bike - and now going to use the slot to build a CRUX fast gravel type bike (I like 45mm tires on Gravel the Fray can't do that) and it's driving me nuts that that ENVE Gravel In-route Fork has bike packing mounts. I hate them more than I hate exposed cables.

ENVE goes to all the trouble to hide cables and the only Stem you can get is aero and then they put bike packing mounts on the fork? Really silly.

Did you confirm with enve that cables can't go outside the aero stem?

[photocycler]

Good timing as I was on the fence of getting a melee. For me, this is perfect as I can finally reduce the amount of spacers and have a relatively sporty bike. Just picked up my ash fray today.

[adrockwe]

The market for the endurance/all road market is really improving.

Really dig this new fray. The colors are not awesome - seems to be a constant thing with enve but I'd get along with that cream white.

This one just entered my wish list which only included the new giant Defy.

I agree with you - these new enduance bikes all look great. I'd say the new BMC Roadmachine is impressive too!

Funny enough, I was super interested in the Giant Defy until I realized that the Stack/Reach Geometry is near identical to the Cannondale Supersix Evo. I had a Gen 2 SS and it was the best bike I ever owned..... between the Defy and the SS I think I'd choose the latter if the geo is really that close!

[jayjay]

Just picked up my ash fray today.

Do you have any real world weight for us?

[pmprego]

The market for the endurance/all road market is really improving.

Really dig this new fray. The colors are not awesome - seems to be a constant thing with enve but I'd get along with that cream white.

This one just entered my wish list which only included the new giant Defy.

I agree with you - these new enduance bikes all look great. I'd say the new BMC Roadmachine is impressive too!

Funny enough, I was super interested in the Giant Defy until I realized that the Stack/Reach Geometry is near identical to the Cannondale Supersix Evo. I had a Gen 2 SS and it was the best bike I ever owned..... between the Defy and the SS I think I'd choose the latter if the geo is really that close!

The Defy geometry is actually more aggressive because of the -10 degree stem that giant always work with. The handlebar will be lower w.r.t. the supersix.