New 2024 S-Works shoes upcoming?

[LOWIEV]

Yeah, those are 100% sure S-works shoes (maybe a prototype).
I remember seeing a promo video a few weeks ago, shot in the S-headquarters. Where there was like some sort of tour in the Shoe department. There was one shoe that they were makinge a prototype. This one looks like that one in the video.
If only i could remember where i saw the vid

[Ritsuke]

There's no way Remco would wear a different brand shoes.

100% this.

[alexanderp1991]

There's a shift (and rightly so) towards wider toe boxes so I can see it - I notice a few pros are using Lake for the 2024 season (Fred Wright is on CX403's and Jaames Shaw CX333's) - and there is no-one better that Specialized at separating riders from their cash.

My 403 have a super narrow pointed toe box. My sworks have a much wider toe box. These prototype shoes look good! I've tried most brands of shoes (used to be a bike fitter with a shoe shop) and would like like an Sworks/Bont cross over. The ares is quite an interesting shoe and with some improvements it could be really good.

[guyc]

I would not in a million years call the 403 super-narrow anywhere, let alone the toe box.

[RDY]

The standard S-Works Torch and even Ares (not wides) are significantly wider than the 403 and 333 in the front third. Remains so in the wide versions of the Lakes; extra wide is another story. But the heel / ankle and mid third of the shoe really balloons on the Lakes in wide / extra wide. I can't wear either of the Lakes as I need an extra wide in those lasts for my toes, but the heel and ankle in extra wide is elephant size and my arch is swimming in space - it's already too big in the wide.

[guyc]

I'm lucky to have fairly narrow feet with no arch problems. I can wear pretty much anything. I'm a standard in 403 and narrow in the new 333.

But super narrow? No. Compare to Fizik, Sidi etc and even regular Lakes aren't narrow in comparison IMO. I haven't worn either of those Specialized because they're the one make that I can't tolerate.

[bones]

The standard S-Works Torch and even Ares (not wides) are significantly wider than the 403 and 333 in the front third. Remains so in the wide versions of the Lakes; extra wide is another story. But the heel / ankle and mid third of the shoe really balloons on the Lakes in wide / extra wide. I can't wear either of the Lakes as I need an extra wide in those lasts for my toes, but the heel and ankle in extra wide is elephant size and my arch is swimming in space - it's already too big in the wide.

There's a Japanese YouTuber that has been measuring the internal width of cycling shoes. I think he's a podiatrist, but not sure. His videos are super informative. Unfortunately, I can't understand Japanese, but if you watch or fast forward through the videos, he posts the internal width measurements that he gets from his measurements so you can quantifiably see how many millimeters the width of the Torch is verses the Ares.

His channel is: THE CYCLING SHOES LAB.
Here's one video where he measured the sole stiffness and internal length and width of the same size Torch and 1st generation Ares shoe.
https://youtu.be/XgE6NjYI4VQ?si=MVRAiQHBtM_m8bVo

[Eterna7m]

The standard S-Works Torch and even Ares (not wides) are significantly wider than the 403 and 333 in the front third. Remains so in the wide versions of the Lakes; extra wide is another story. But the heel / ankle and mid third of the shoe really balloons on the Lakes in wide / extra wide. I can't wear either of the Lakes as I need an extra wide in those lasts for my toes, but the heel and ankle in extra wide is elephant size and my arch is swimming in space - it's already too big in the wide.

There's a Japanese YouTuber that has been measuring the internal width of cycling shoes. I think he's a podiatrist, but not sure. His videos are super informative. Unfortunately, I can't understand Japanese, but if you watch or fast forward through the videos, he posts the internal width measurements that he gets from his measurements so you can quantifiably see how many millimeters the width of the Torch is verses the Ares.

His channel is: THE CYCLING SHOES LAB.
Here's one video where he measured the sole stiffness and internal length and width of the same size Torch and 1st generation Ares shoe.
https://youtu.be/XgE6NjYI4VQ?si=MVRAiQHBtM_m8bVo

Wow that's a great source
Thanks for sharing.
The linked video also has subtitles (for most of it) !

[RDY]

The standard S-Works Torch and even Ares (not wides) are significantly wider than the 403 and 333 in the front third. Remains so in the wide versions of the Lakes; extra wide is another story. But the heel / ankle and mid third of the shoe really balloons on the Lakes in wide / extra wide. I can't wear either of the Lakes as I need an extra wide in those lasts for my toes, but the heel and ankle in extra wide is elephant size and my arch is swimming in space - it's already too big in the wide.

There's a Japanese YouTuber that has been measuring the internal width of cycling shoes. I think he's a podiatrist, but not sure. His videos are super informative. Unfortunately, I can't understand Japanese, but if you watch or fast forward through the videos, he posts the internal width measurements that he gets from his measurements so you can quantifiably see how many millimeters the width of the Torch is verses the Ares.

His channel is: THE CYCLING SHOES LAB.
Here's one video where he measured the sole stiffness and internal length and width of the same size Torch and 1st generation Ares shoe.
https://youtu.be/XgE6NjYI4VQ?si=MVRAiQHBtM_m8bVo

Very informative ... but you do realize there are English subtitles?

[bones]

The standard S-Works Torch and even Ares (not wides) are significantly wider than the 403 and 333 in the front third. Remains so in the wide versions of the Lakes; extra wide is another story. But the heel / ankle and mid third of the shoe really balloons on the Lakes in wide / extra wide. I can't wear either of the Lakes as I need an extra wide in those lasts for my toes, but the heel and ankle in extra wide is elephant size and my arch is swimming in space - it's already too big in the wide.

There's a Japanese YouTuber that has been measuring the internal width of cycling shoes. I think he's a podiatrist, but not sure. His videos are super informative. Unfortunately, I can't understand Japanese, but if you watch or fast forward through the videos, he posts the internal width measurements that he gets from his measurements so you can quantifiably see how many millimeters the width of the Torch is verses the Ares.

His channel is: THE CYCLING SHOES LAB.
Here's one video where he measured the sole stiffness and internal length and width of the same size Torch and 1st generation Ares shoe.
https://youtu.be/XgE6NjYI4VQ?si=MVRAiQHBtM_m8bVo

Very informative ... but you do realize there are English subtitles?

Haha! Yes. I realize he has subtitles, but there is one section at the end where I think he's talking about something fit based, not just the measurements, but the internal shape design which isn't fully subtitled. He also has some really other good videos using calipers and other measuring instruments, but they are less subtitled and this is where I wish I had a Japanese friend to translate.

[TobinHatesYou]

I'm lucky to have fairly narrow feet with no arch problems. I can wear pretty much anything. I'm a standard in 403 and narrow in the new 333.

But super narrow? No. Compare to Fizik, Sidi etc and even regular Lakes aren't narrow in comparison IMO. I haven't worn either of those Specialized because they're the one make that I can't tolerate.

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44-44.5 in Lake CX302s.
43.5-44 in Giro Empire SLXs.
43.5 in Shimano RC903s, 44 in RC902s.
43.5 in Gaerne G.STLs.
43.5 in S-Works Ares.
44 in Bontrager XXX.

Fizik Vento Infinito Carbon 2s in size 43.5 honestly felt like size 45.5-46 to me. They were loose everywhere.

[bones]

I'm lucky to have fairly narrow feet with no arch problems. I can wear pretty much anything. I'm a standard in 403 and narrow in the new 333.

But super narrow? No. Compare to Fizik, Sidi etc and even regular Lakes aren't narrow in comparison IMO. I haven't worn either of those Specialized because they're the one make that I can't tolerate.

IMG_7858.jpeg

44-44.5 in Lake CX302s.
43.5-44 in Giro Empire SLXs.
43.5 in Shimano RC903s, 44 in RC902s.
43.5 in Gaerne G.STLs.
43.5 in S-Works Ares.
44 in Bontrager XXX.

Fizik Vento Infinito Carbon 2s in size 43.5 honestly felt like size 45.5-46 to me. They were loose everywhere.

Interesting, I always thought that Fizik were generally narrower than Shimano and Specialized. It looks like you've tried size 43.5 in Shimano RC903, S-Works Ares, and Fizik Vento Infantito Carbon. Were they all normal sized width shoes? I know that all three of those shoe brands have wide fitting options in those models I think.

[TobinHatesYou]

Interesting, I always thought that Fizik were generally narrower than Shimano and Specialized. It looks like you've tried size 43.5 in Shimano RC903, S-Works Ares, and Fizik Vento Infantito Carbon. Were they all normal sized width shoes? I know that all three of those shoe brands have wide fitting options in those models I think.

Yep, all normal width as I my feet are both narrow and low-volume. Borderline low arch as well. The Ares has the lowest volume toebox of the three mentioned. The Infinito Carbon 2 feels several sizes too large in every dimension.

[alexanderp1991]

The new Fiziks are made in a different factory and are a completely different fit to the older narrow ones. The cleat holes are also further back. Great for a lot of riders but now they are too loose on me (I tried the Vento Stabilita).

Lake definitely market the 403 as being more narrow "CX/TX RACE Last – Featuring a slightly more narrow toe box and tighter heel than the Competition last and less overall volume than the Sport last. Designed for very high-cadence riding with a slimmer fit." With the curved sole they feel very tight in the toe box (I have straight feet, if you have curved feet maybe they feel better).

In a shoe I want maximum foot hold at the rear of the shoe (tight heel, sides and top without needing to over tighten) and then have a big toe box so my toes can splay and do whatever they want to. If the shoe is held in the rear, you have arch support and cleats in the right location you can pretty much have the toe box as big as you want.

[Beswap]

The new Fiziks are made in a different factory and are a completely different fit to the older narrow ones. The cleat holes are also further back. Great for a lot of riders but now they are too loose on me (I tried the Vento Stabilita).
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Lake definitely market the 403 as being more narrow "CX/TX RACE Last – Featuring a slightly more narrow toe box and tighter heel than the Competition last and less overall volume than the Sport last. Designed for very high-cadence riding with a slimmer fit." With the curved sole they feel very tight in the toe box (I have straight feet, if you have curved feet maybe they feel better).

In a shoe I want maximum foot hold at the rear of the shoe (tight heel, sides and top without needing to over tighten) and then have a big toe box so my toes can splay and do whatever they want to. If the shoe is held in the rear, you have arch support and cleats in the right location you can pretty much have the toe box as big as you want.

Yeah, it looks like the new Fizik Vento Stabilita's have really changed in size and fit from the old narrow ones.