Red AXS E1 (Where is New SRAM Red)

[bobones]

If you already have calipers you could get just the shifters where the bigger upgrade is as stand alone parts. Search for E1 exchange kit. SRAM RED Shift/Brake Lever eTap AXS Exchange Kit - Right, Includes Hood, E1 710845911941

Thanks. I've been looking for the exchange kits for a while, but I don't see stock of both sides anywhere. Some sites are saying they're due back in stock in Decemeber, so I'll probably just wait as I won't be riding this bike until spring anyway. Another tempting option is to buy the complete group on Cyclescheme and get it for 65% of the online price.

[OtterSpace]

Your post got me thinking what order I'd prioritize an E1 upgrade if I had D1:

1) Shifters: Worth upgrading.
2) FD: Worth considering.
3) Calipers: Worth considering but only after, or with, a shifter upgrade.
4) Crankarm: Only worth it if you want a different length or are very weight focused. Its a leading part to consider if starting from nothing but harder to justify if on D1.
5) RD: Likely only worth it if you are very weight or asethetic focused.
6) Chain: Likely only worth it if you are very weight or aesthetic focused. YBN MK120 is what I personally would go with instead but only if in a wax rotation.
7) Chainrings: Personally I'd go force for lower cost and aesthetics.

Sometimes its worth buying things as a set and selling what you dont need. Just make sure to factor in transaction & platform fees etc.

[Tpduke112]

If you already have calipers you could get just the shifters where the bigger upgrade is as stand alone parts. Search for E1 exchange kit. SRAM RED Shift/Brake Lever eTap AXS Exchange Kit - Right, Includes Hood, E1 710845911941

Thanks. I've been looking for the exchange kits for a while, but I don't see stock of both sides anywhere. Some sites are saying they're due back in stock in Decemeber, so I'll probably just wait as I won't be riding this bike until spring anyway. Another tempting option is to buy the complete group on Cyclescheme and get it for 65% of the online price.

Bellati Sport had both a couple weeks ago.

[andy4g63]

I'm in the same position with SL8 and in my view the only tangible benefit would be the E1 shifters/brake calipers with lower weight, longer reach, slimmer profile, bonus buttons and more braking force. I would not change the rest.

I think you're right. I can get the shifters/calipers for about £1030, which is still a bit steep when I last year I got the D1 equivalent plus the RD, FD and rotors for a bit less. I think I'll build it up with what I've got and see if prices come down next year.

I was in the same boat as you.
SL8, bought the shifters and calipers, improvement over ForceRed/AXS is significant.

Initially it was shifters only with Force AXS calipers.

The new calipers offer more modulation and power and are smoother.

My RD was Force AXS, upgraded to D1 Red, cause I got the Ceramicspeed Alpha RS OSPW which alone is very expensive and even though is heavy, I love the look.

For FD I got Rival , cause is only 5 grams heavier than Red D1 and because the cage is better.

I am running D1 crank with Sigeyi and Carbon TI 48-36 rings and the shifting is phenomenal./Though I dub myself SRAM FD cononseur/...

All in all a 56 PRO frame with everything else, pedals, cages, mounts , etc is 6.75kg

[Tpduke112]

What do you mean when you say the cage is better on the Rival FD than the Red?

[wheelbuilder]

Some of you guys need to go back just a few posts. Feel like all this D1-vs-E1 performance descriptors have been covered at considerable length by trustworthy members. The very first and only absolutely necessary change should be E1 front derailleur. Shifters next.

[HannibalLecter]

I'm in the same position with SL8 and in my view the only tangible benefit would be the E1 shifters/brake calipers with lower weight, longer reach, slimmer profile, bonus buttons and more braking force. I would not change the rest.

I think you're right. I can get the shifters/calipers for about £1030, which is still a bit steep when I last year I got the D1 equivalent plus the RD, FD and rotors for a bit less. I think I'll build it up with what I've got and see if prices come down next year.

I was in the same boat as you.
SL8, bought the shifters and calipers, improvement over ForceRed/AXS is significant.

Initially it was shifters only with Force AXS calipers.

The new calipers offer more modulation and power and are smoother.

My RD was Force AXS, upgraded to D1 Red, cause I got the Ceramicspeed Alpha RS OSPW which alone is very expensive and even though is heavy, I love the look.

For FD I got Rival , cause is only 5 grams heavier than Red D1 and because the cage is better.

I am running D1 crank with Sigeyi and Carbon TI 48-36 rings and the shifting is phenomenal./Though I dub myself SRAM FD cononseur/...

All in all a 56 PRO frame with everything else, pedals, cages, mounts , etc is 6.75kg

The new calipers did nothing for me, compared to the rivals.
It was probably your pads

[Kubackjeee]

Thoughts? I didn't think there were (m)any changes with the new chains.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/balois ... ip-medals/

For a start, a chain between top gear and spokes can only be because of a bad limit screw setting, so I'm not sure I'd take it too seriously. Maybe they had a bad batch of chains.

Yeah for sure a pro bike mechanic can't properly set 3 bikes

Pro mechanics often are set in their own ways and not up to date with the best practices for new equipment.

Seems more likely they used a solvent/degreaser they shouldn’t have, such as Simple Green or any degreaser mixed with too much water and that led to hydrogen embrittlement.

Hard to wrap my head around that someone who does this for living could be that incompetent... Buy yeah happens in other businesses... Still pro team mechanic should be better then "pro" bike(shop) mechanic nick from cade media

[velomane]

If anyone sees a Black Friday deal on Red groups, please post it here.

[hannawald]

If anyone sees a Black Friday deal on Red groups, please post it here.

So far the lowest price on shifters/RD was on Ridewill with the discount code 24CLUB8FANTIC.

[hannawald]

Does everybody use recommended Paceline X rotors? At 132g for 160mm rotor I am tempted to save more than 20g per rotor and use Shimano XT RT-MT800. Any reason for taking Paceline X besides brand purity? Will they be stronger, more silent...? Saving weight is nice but braking is important so checking with you... Thanks!

[Requiem84]

If anyone sees a Black Friday deal on Red groups, please post it here.

I emailed with a Dutch shop for the Red Xplr groupset to ask for a BF deal. They said sure, we'll discount it. Next day I check their website and they have taken 25 euro's of the price....

So far no good Black Friday prices for Red Xplr .

[TobinHatesYou]

I wouldn’t expect discounts on Red E1. Force D2 and Rival D1 on the other hand… E1 versions of both have been seen floating around these parts.

[Requiem84]

I wouldn’t expect discounts on Red E1. Force D2 and Rival D1 on the other hand… E1 versions of both have been seen floating around these parts.

Red E1 2X has some nicer discounts over here:

https://www.futurumshop.nl/sram-red-axs ... gLvX_D_BwE

[bobones]

Certini is doing full groupset with PM crankset, 11-36 silver cassette, chain and Karoo for £3.5k (24% discount). Mini group (with Karoo) is £2.5k (17% discount). Can get FD, RD, Shifters + Calipers separately from BikeInn for £1888 (no batteries), add PM crank fror £885 or non-PM for £493.50, rainbow cassette £313 and chain £66, batteries + charger £134. Swinnerton Cycles is doing pre-order for Exchange kit at £750 for pair - due 18 December (retail is £888). Think I might go for Exchange kit ... (edit: ordered).