Red AXS E1 (Where is New SRAM Red)

[melkart]

Any word of a new Force groupset that shares the ergonomics (and 1x13) of Red?

I am really looking forward it.

I believe some user said in the specific thread for the Red UDH XPLR that both Force & Rival versions have been seen locally.

I tried to find some pictures on Twitter, Reddit and so but without success.

[Tifosiphil]

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I belive they run the road stuff 1-by since they usually don’t need any more than a 10-36 cassette. Does the Trek CX-bike even have UDH yet?
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Think I was wrong on this one looking closer. Looked like during the race they had the Transmission style front chainring but can't see a decent still of it. Could just be the new Red chainring with the diagonal looking spider

[magnusss]

Looked like Nys was running the DM chain ring without power meter.

[HannibalLecter]

I have some questions, addressed to those who have used both the D1 and the E1. Is the rear derailleur perceivably faster when changing gears?
Also, is the front derailleur faster? I know it doesnt drop chains, but my rival doesnt either, after I carefully adjusted it.
And another question. Why are people saying that the front derailleur does not overshift? Mine clearly does that, as I can hear it staying there for two or three revolutions. I can hear the chain rubbing and then it retracts again

[jlok]

I have some questions, addressed to those who have used both the D1 and the E1. Is the rear derailleur perceivably faster when changing gears?
Also, is the front derailleur faster? I know it doesnt drop chains, but my rival doesnt either, after I carefully adjusted it.
And another question. Why are people saying that the front derailleur does not overshift? Mine clearly does that, as I can hear it staying there for two or three revolutions. I can hear the chain rubbing and then it retracts again

I have both D1 and E1 RD. They feel like the same speed but I have disabled left and right shift paddles combination to improve the delay. I shift the FD by bonus button on E1 shifters.

[Kevin7767]

I have some questions, addressed to those who have used both the D1 and the E1. Is the rear derailleur perceivably faster when changing gears?
Also, is the front derailleur faster? I know it doesnt drop chains, but my rival doesnt either, after I carefully adjusted it.
And another question. Why are people saying that the front derailleur does not overshift? Mine clearly does that, as I can hear it staying there for two or three revolutions. I can hear the chain rubbing and then it retracts again

To me the E1 rear derailleur doesn't feel faster than the D1. However when I changed from a front 2x setup to 1x it did make the rear derailleur feel like it is faster (this is with the D1, I stayed 1x when I moved to the E1 rear derailleur).

[wheelbuilder]

I have both. Rear speed seems no different. Front E1 is markedly faster both up and down. Anyone who says different does/did not own both. Like WAY faster.

[sheldonsmith]

I have both. Rear speed seems no different. Front E1 is markedly faster both up and down. Anyone who says different does/did not own both. Like WAY faster.

I'll second that...

[DogmaHiFi]

I recently went through the full upgrade from D1 to E1, having been an early adopter of E1 myself. Although I got the complete E1 setup, I installed it in stages due to time constraints, and the impact was immediately noticeable.

The first phase was upgrading the shifters and braking system, which made an immense difference—truly like night and day. The new ergonomics of the E1 shifters also offered a significant improvement in comfort and control over the D1 setup.

As for the rear cassette and derailleur, I didn’t notice a dramatic change in performance, at least not as much as I expected. However, when I finally upgraded the front derailleur and crankset, the difference was instantly recognizable. SRAM’s installation videos provide helpful tips for optimal setup, and following them paid off. Gear changes are now almost instant, and since installing the final parts about four months ago, I’ve yet to experience a single chain drop.

[HannibalLecter]

I have both. Rear speed seems no different. Front E1 is markedly faster both up and down. Anyone who says different does/did not own both. Like WAY faster.

Hmm ok, I see. I can find the D1 for about 300€ and the E1 is still 500-550, and if there is no difference in speed then its purely a weight saving upgrade. The E1 is only 16 grams lighter than the D1. Its sexier with better pulleys though.
However for the front seems to be a good performance reason to upgrade, maybe Ill start with that

[HannibalLecter]

I recently went through the full upgrade from D1 to E1, having been an early adopter of E1 myself. Although I got the complete E1 setup, I installed it in stages due to time constraints, and the impact was immediately noticeable.

The first phase was upgrading the shifters and braking system, which made an immense difference—truly like night and day. The new ergonomics of the E1 shifters also offered a significant improvement in comfort and control over the D1 setup.

As for the rear cassette and derailleur, I didn’t notice a dramatic change in performance, at least not as much as I expected. However, when I finally upgraded the front derailleur and crankset, the difference was instantly recognizable. SRAM’s installation videos provide helpful tips for optimal setup, and following them paid off. Gear changes are now almost instant, and since installing the final parts about four months ago, I’ve yet to experience a single chain drop.

I currently have a Rival setup, but with red D1 crankset and Red E1 brake calipers.
The calipers to me perform identically as the rival calipers, didnt gain any performance from that, only blink and weight savings. I understand though that the main difference is the levers, not the calipers, but I cant afford the levers yet.
For the cassette upgrade I have already sourced a D1 10-33 red, cause not much of a point to go with a E1, almost identical. Ill match it with an E1 hollow chain for 25g savings and the cool factor. Eventually I will upgrade both the derailleurs to E1, but I wanted to know if I should prioritize the rear, now I know.
My front rival derailleur performs well, I did experience chain drops in the start, then I fixed it,then it did it again, I fixed it again and now it is perfect. But it is slow unfortunately.

[nullptr]

I never had FD issues with AXS Rival, but then I built a bike with the old Red and it was impossible to get it right. When ever I made adjustments to the FD it lasted max. 10 rides until I dropped a chain. I was always scared to just look at the FD. I made so many attempts that I stripped the highlimit screw and had to replace it. Switched over to Rival from my other bike and everything worked perfectly. However, recently there was a guy selling the new E1 FDs for 250€/pc on Kleinanzeigen (german craigslist) and I had to get one. I have yet to drop a chain on E1 and the shifting is so much smoother (compared to both old Red and Rival). You'll notice it immediately. Also managed to sell my old Red FD for 200€, so this upgrade only costed me 50€.

Regarding RD shifting performance: The new RD is not worth the upgrade, but the new additional shifter buttons allow you to disable the double tap, which will speed up the RD shifting by 50-100ms. You can however achieve the same effect with blips. You can test the speed difference yourself by unassigning the double tap the AXS app on your phone.

[HannibalLecter]

I never had FD issues with AXS Rival, but then I built a bike with the old Red and it was impossible to get it right. When ever I made adjustments to the FD it lasted max. 10 rides until I dropped a chain. I was always scared to just look at the FD. I made so many attempts that I stripped the highlimit screw and had to replace it. Switched over to Rival from my other bike and everything worked perfectly. However, recently there was a guy selling the new E1 FDs for 250€/pc on Kleinanzeigen (german craigslist) and I had to get one. I have yet to drop a chain on E1 and the shifting is so much smoother (compared to both old Red and Rival). You'll notice it immediately. Also managed to sell my old Red FD for 200€, so this upgrade only costed me 50€.

Regarding RD shifting performance: The new RD is not worth the upgrade, but the new additional shifter buttons allow you to disable the double tap, which will speed up the RD shifting by 50-100ms. You can however achieve the same effect with blips. You can test the speed difference yourself by unassigning the double tap the AXS app on your phone.

Where did you find e1 for 250€ in Kleinanzeigen? I source my parts from there, but the best I,can find right now is 365. I may have missed the offer.
Re the performance of the red d1 vs rival, it makes sense, as it it came later and it is improved.
Re the rear derailleur speed, I fail to understand how it is faster without the double tap, as the double tap is used for the front. Unfortunatelly I cant experiment, as I have rival shifters, without any extra buttons

[nullptr]

There was a guy selling them brandnew in bulk a few weeks ago, but the kleinanzeigen listing has been deleted. It seemd a little bit sketchy (given the price), but he offered Paypal buyer protection.

[HannibalLecter]

There was a guy selling them brandnew in bulk a few weeks ago, but the kleinanzeigen listing has been deleted. It seemd a little bit sketchy (given the price), but he offered Paypal buyer protection.

Probably someone in the industry. Shame I missed that